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Troy Smith
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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2013, 02:46:08 AM »


in a recent thread on Britmodeller,

Yury Tepsurkaev has joined in, as well as Tom Cooper [who  has authored books on Middle east war/jets]

I'll quote the main interesting part, the quotes are Tom Cooper, responses Yury Tepsurkaev

Posted Yesterday, 10:01 AM

Tom Cooper, on 07 Nov 2013 - 05:27 AM, said:

Correspondingly, there were also very strict instructions regarding application of camouflage. The first such rule (Order No.10) was introduced during 1952, when the 64 IAK (top Soviet AF authority responsible for ops in Korea) introduced the so-called 'air superiority' camo. This pattern, developed by the 64 IAK in cooperation with the Ministry of Aviation, Factory No. 21 and representatives of the GIPI-4, consisted of grey-green on top surfaces and sides, and dark blue on bottom surfaces.
Not exactly... Upper colour was greenish silver or silver-green as it was obtained by mixing aluminium varnish with blue and yellow paints.

The next rule - from autumn 1952 - dictated the introduction of 'autumn-winter' camo, consisting of light grey paint overall.
It wasn't an "autumn-winter camo" but an attempt to reduce the shine of NMF regardless of a season.

More often than not, dark green was simply not available in local Chinese shops (at least not in sufficient amounts), so the Soviets purchased grey green or even light green instead.
Local Chinese shops? Excuse me but the statement above is the complete bosh. All paints, including dark green, were delivered in barrels from Soviet supply bases.
BTW, the same rule that introduced the first camo, has also required deletion of all earlier EBRs, and even kill markings.
The very first kill markings began to appear after camo was introduced.

Therefore, by late 1952/early 1953, there was only a handfull of MiG-15s left wearing camo _and_ kill markings: indeed, every single pilot that wanted to apply his kill markings to a specific aircraft had first to ask for permission to do so, and most often this was simply not granted
Just one more nonsense. A pilot's wish to apply a marking did not matter. Only if (and when) his claim for a kill was confirmed, the kill marking was applied by an order of the division commander. And of course any unauthorised kill markings weren't welcomed by the CO and were to be removed.

Actually, I recommend only sources related to Russian author Igor Seidov as reference in this regards.
The "researcher" who personally never worked with existing archival documents.
That says it all...

also from Yury
According to the 64th IAK documents, the paints used for camouflaging were nitro enamels of DM type.
There were blue, light blue, red, yellow, black, brown, green, gray and white paints. And most of colours were "clean" or "basic".  I mean there was not paint of, say, sand colour. To obtain sand you had to mix yellow and brown, for example.
You can get an excellent sand colour by mixing yellow and black. You can also get an excellent dark green by mixing green and black.
During 1952 the 64th IAK spent 860 kgs of yellow enamel, 1291 kgs of green, 1008 kgs of black and... only 100 (one hundred) kgs of gray. So, sand or gray is more probable?

Hope of interest, i thought it was.  I don't believe Yury Tepsurkaev is member here though? 

Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2013, 07:00:47 AM »

Hi Troy,
very very interesting.
Anyway, if one mixes yellow and black, the result is a sort of olive green (anyone can try) while, to obtain sand, one has to add some red and a lot of white.
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