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Author Topic: Page of profiles of R-5 and R-Z of Tapani  (Read 20350 times)
Massimo Tessitori
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« on: October 24, 2013, 08:36:05 AM »

Hi all,
I'm uploading a new page of color drawings of R-5 and R-Z drawn by Tapani at
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/r-5/tapani/profiles.htm
Here is one sample:

As usual, each drawing is shown aside reference photos and commented.
Thanks to Tapani for all his recent work on color profiles.
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Massimo
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2013, 05:45:45 PM »

Good - it will be nice to see some profiles of this under-appreciated aeroplane.  It was a real workhorse for the VVS, both before and during the GPW.

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Jason
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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2013, 10:28:54 PM »

I hope to buy one from Rest Models.
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2013, 12:36:03 PM »

Hi,
it is really nice, with its sleek fuselage. Further drawings are arriving.
Rest Models? Is a kit available?
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2013, 06:03:31 AM »

Some just uploaded pages:


http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/r-5/tapani/cccp-glidertow.htm

http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/r-5/tapani/%2B.htm

http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/r-5/tapani/winterwar3.htm
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Massimo
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 07:43:49 PM »

Hi,
we need some help with the R-5.
We're trying to understand if some PR-5 airliners were painted orange, as poswar polar aviation planes, or grey, silver or what else.
Here is a sketch for a first idea:



Now, is there written anything in the text that allows to establish the colors of the plane?


Thank you for any help.
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Massimo
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2013, 09:35:04 PM »

Hi,
I've found a table in Aviakollectia 12/2008  with the research of Orlov on colors of Soviet planes.  There is a table of colors at pag.4, including an orange and a cream of uncertain use.
Now, if the orange was for polar planes, couldn't the cream be for liners? I know that these colors are introduced in 1940, but perhaps replaced similar ones of the '30s.
The PR-5 are forthemost in a color darker than white, non metallic, and I am not sure it is grey.
The Po-2 in the Chkalow museum is painted cream. Could it be a wide prewar use?
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Massimo
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2013, 05:59:43 AM »

We're trying to understand if some PR-5 airliners were painted orange, as poswar polar aviation planes, or grey, silver or what else.

Now, is there written anything in the text that allows to establish the colors of the plane?


It says that nose of the plane was painted in blue and the rest was silver...
Same scheme was used on Stal passenger planes.

Now, if the orange was for polar planes, couldn't the cream be for liners? I know that these colors are introduced in 1940, but perhaps replaced similar ones of the '30s.
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The Po-2 in the Chkalow museum is painted cream. Could it be a wide prewar use?

Cream was used sometimes for civil planes - IMHO for sport planes, maybe for small passanger planes, not for airliners...

The PR-5 are forthemost in a color darker than white, non metallic, and I am not sure it is grey.

Silver, see above...

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KL
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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2013, 06:27:21 AM »

Hi,
thank you very much for the translation.  Silver and blue is what can be commonly found on profiles.
But...



in my idea, they can't b silver, apart for some repaintings on the wrecled planes with a red star.
Maybe one could contact the author of the profile to ask if the colors are a guess or he had some more information on the plane depicted.
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Massimo
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2013, 07:52:41 AM »

It really depends who was the owner of the particular plane.  Factories painted sport and passenger planes according to customer orders.

SSSR N-70 was most likely as posted text says.

I meant something like this:


photos you posted are interesting, but they need more research...  Smiley

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KL   
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2013, 01:10:37 PM »

More research... true, I'm trying to find more informations.
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2013, 04:16:09 AM »

IMHO, This PR-5 model looks extremely convincing








Following Stal-2 model IMHO is a better representation than red-cream profile







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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2013, 09:11:05 AM »

Hi,
the PR-5 is surely a good model, but I don't see absolutely the same shining.
Geust, on his Red Stars 3, says the light color is light blue. I don't know if he has sure sources; it shouldn't be too difficult, we are speaking of hundreds of planes of Aeroflot and similar public companies; anyway il looks fairly credible.
I hope to find more on this topic, who knows if there is any Russian expert of old civilian planes?
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Massimo
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2013, 07:52:17 PM »

@KL
Who made the stunning PR-5?
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« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2013, 04:27:29 AM »

Model was made by Valentin Muchichko.  Muchichko made a number of master models for ICM; his creation is that "overengineered" but excellent TB-3, then Tu-2, SB bomber, Nakajima Ki-27, Heinkel He-70 etc.

R-5 and PR-5 were his last projects for ICM.  models were announced, but never realised.

Muchichko's web page with some of his models and several master models at:
http://savoya.io.ua/album

For example:





Another 1930s Soviet passanger plane by Muchichko at
http://www.dishmodels.ru/gshow.htm?mode=P&vmode=T&p=2266&id=22414&tp=g

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