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Author Topic: Advice abouut Russian Me-262  (Read 5013 times)
B_Realistic
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« on: January 10, 2014, 06:38:11 PM »

Hi,

I saw a thread on ARC about a Russian Me-262 in blue?
Is this pure fiction?

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=271727

Michel
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Troy Smith
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2014, 07:13:39 PM »

HI Michel

'blue', well the profile is very pretty


as is the green one


but neither artist paid close attention to the subject photo... note the high demarcation on the cowlings, and the thin nose ring.
Remember 'never trust a profile without a photo'!!!!





hmm, a google image search of 'soviet me262' get this


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Test pilot, engineer, Colonel Andrei Kochetkov testing a German Messerschmitt jet Me-262.
1st control of the Air Force Institute of Civil Russia, 1945
from http://albumwar2.com/messerschmitt-me-262-with-a-red-star/

which does look like a VVS repaint,  so at this time most likely AMT-4 uppers with AMT-7 undersides.   Neat scheme!

From the nacelles and engine rings I'd say the images from the profile are just degraded, as I don't remember luftwaffe Me262 having such high lines of underside colour on the nacelles...

others may know more...

HTH
T
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FPSOlkor
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2014, 12:14:36 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boWwNoD1pz4
Look at this video
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B_Realistic
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2014, 04:19:55 PM »

Thanks for the input so the normal AMT-4 would rather match then an exotic blue.
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Troy Smith
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2014, 05:20:03 PM »

hi Michel

there was a switch post GPW to a single upper colour, and the a switch to an overall colour.

http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/1945-50-oldtypes/1945-50-oldtypes.html
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In late 1944 some planes with uniformly painted uppersurfaces did appear; the new livery was probably blue-grey AMT-11 or A-33m with light blue undersurfaces. Uniform grey uppersurfaces started to appear on fighters around the end of the war, and this use lasted up to 1948 when grey was replaced by green; anyway it's impossible to distinguish grey from green on bw photos.
Note the photos of the Yak-9 wreck at the bottom.

The upper of the me262 could be AMT-4, or they could be AMT-11, or having a look here, their post war glossy equivalents
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/1945-1950-newtypes/1945-1950-newtypes.html

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The new soviet planes of the immediate postwar could be finished with:

    * solid grey upper and side surfaces and light blue undersurfaces, up to 1948;
    * solid green upper and side surfaces and light blue-grey or blue undersurfaces, that replaced the previous one in 1948;
    * uniform light blue-grey livery;
    * disruptive camouflage, limited to Tu-2 and Tu-14, with green-dark grey-brown bands and light blue-grey undersurfaces;
    * silver;
    * natural metal, covered with trasparent varnish.

The position of red stars immediately after the war creates some confusion; they started to reappear over the wings, but sometimes disappeared from the tails or from the fuselages of the planes, so there were planes both with 6 and with 8 stars (unclear if with 4 stars too); one has to look at the photographic records of the single plane.

A-24g gloss camouflage green or and A-28g matt greyish blue?   

I had a quick watch of the youtube fottage, could not see any upper wing stars, but it was hard to tell.

Be interesting to know what Massimo's thought are on this?

HTH
T
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2014, 07:18:48 PM »

Unfortunately it's impossible to distinguish dark grey from dark green on bw photos. Painting of Soviet planes in 1945-48 period has some question marks. As a guess, I consider green as more likely. I would reserve grey to those types that were painted in two greys up to 1945.
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66misos
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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2015, 11:18:15 AM »

Hi,
Another picts of Russian Me-262 from https://www.litmir.co/br/?b=264759&p=2:






regards,
   66misos
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