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« Reply #180 on: September 08, 2015, 10:13:28 PM »

Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment.
IMHO propeller blades are grey as in vast majority. Only the color is ragged from the back side (mostly on the outer end and less and less to the inner end), as often seen also on MiGs, Yaks, etc.
Plus black blades had yellow tips.
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« Reply #181 on: September 09, 2015, 05:22:33 AM »

Hi Misos,
I see, it could be a shadow due to the change of angulation of the blade.
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« Reply #182 on: September 13, 2015, 07:23:05 AM »

Hi all,
all the recent work of Misos on P-39s of 22 giad has been uploaded on the site.
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lendlease/p-39/p-39.html
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« Reply #183 on: January 10, 2016, 11:03:44 AM »

Hi,
these Cobras look very dark and glossy:

or



Especially "48" is interesting - showing PARM logo and no stencils. Apparently VVS repainting.

The question is - what is that color? Polished spare OD or some VVS dark glossy paint? It does not look like (relatively bright) green AMT-4. Dark grey AMT-12? Huh

This is original OD - looks quite matt (in comparison to the USAF blue disc):


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« Reply #184 on: January 10, 2016, 02:02:28 PM »

Hi Misos,
I've found similar photos of P-63 too. I think to have read that they were repainted in AMT-4 or similar in late 1944, but I don't know if this was a positive information or an interpretation.
Else, I think that US replaced their OD with one of much better quality around 1944, perhaps they have sent a stock of new paint to Soviet Union.
The landing gear doors look worn and disuniform.
A wreck of P-40 downed in 1944 shows a layer of Soviet green paint over the original OD.
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« Reply #185 on: January 14, 2016, 04:05:24 AM »

Hi Misos,
from what I see, on Oborin's, Kozhevnikov's and on the No "80" in your previous post, nose wheel cover (door) is the same colour as the nose.

IMHO, all 3 Airacobras were painted in 1 colour overall - no light blue/gray undersides...

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« Reply #186 on: January 18, 2016, 05:21:59 AM »

Hi Misos,
check these photos for "VVS planes overpainted in 1 colour overall"





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« Reply #187 on: January 18, 2016, 11:04:13 PM »

Hi KL,
nice pictures, but they are P-63 Kingcobras. They were abandoned by Soviets in mid fifties and they still had serial numbers. So repainting is not probable in this case.
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« Reply #188 on: January 19, 2016, 06:36:53 AM »

Hi,
I see that red stars on kingcobras are without the red outline.
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« Reply #189 on: January 19, 2016, 08:11:19 AM »

Star is probably original factory painted, only early P-63 had transit "red stars in white disc" markings





Kingcora's undersides should be NG and that wing is way too dark for NG

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« Reply #190 on: January 19, 2016, 04:03:51 PM »

Hi KL,





Wing on the upper photo and the closest wing on the bottom photo is IMHO the same one - check damages and other surface details.

Red stars with only white outline were painted already in Bell factory. Note how red color is still red, no shift to orange.
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« Reply #191 on: January 19, 2016, 04:45:33 PM »

Looking into the wheel bay, it seems that the outer dark color was painted roughly by brush.
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« Reply #192 on: January 20, 2016, 02:33:30 AM »

This Douglas C-47 made forced landing in Siberia (Taimir peninsula) in April 1947.
Fuselage and centroplan were clearly overpainted in gray-blue AMT-11 (or oil equivalent).







Undersides were overpainted in light blue AMT-7 (or oil equivalent)





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« Reply #193 on: January 20, 2016, 07:17:54 AM »

Interesting images.
In photos of wrecks of Il-2, AMT-12 fades into a lighter shade.
I wonder if this dark grey could be a faded version of a dark olive color, US late type or a Soviet imitation. If so, it could be related to the color of P-63s. It would be good to see a wreck of P-63, even an US plane, to look as that paint ages.
Note that the prop blades seem painted differently each other.
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« Reply #194 on: January 20, 2016, 08:12:52 AM »


I wonder if this dark grey could be a faded version of a dark olive color, US late type or a Soviet imitation. If so, it could be related to the color of P-63s. It would be good to see a wreck of P-63, even an US plane, to look as that paint ages.


On color photos Kingcobras look pretty much the same as Airacobras...





 
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