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« Reply #90 on: April 22, 2014, 06:33:53 AM »

Hi,
Here is updated "103":
- Alexander Nevski emblem a bit smaller,
- A-21m areas with sharp edges (painted with brush),
- painting more follows panel lines.


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« Reply #91 on: April 22, 2014, 07:26:18 AM »

Hi Misos,
to tell the truth, the blotches were better in the old version. They had just to be a bit sharper, but sprayed anyway.
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« Reply #92 on: April 22, 2014, 09:17:56 AM »

Hi Massimo,
To tell truth I like this version Wink It does not look like camoflage but more like some temporary repainting. But yes, using spray gun was probably more usual than brush in 1945. I will make also version with A-21m blotches with thin soft edges.

What do you think about white rudder on Ovsyannikov's "42" from my last post on the peevious page?
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« Reply #93 on: April 22, 2014, 10:12:12 AM »

Hi Misos,
I think that the white color arrives up to the rear end of the rudder. Yes, there is the shadow of the stabilizer on it. We can see where it starts. There is still to check if it corresponds to the hinge line, or if the white starts behind it.
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« Reply #94 on: April 23, 2014, 06:43:18 AM »

Hi,

here is updated profile of "103", A-21m blotches with thin soft edges:



Plane "104" has disc under the fuselage red star. Standard USAF insignias from that period had white rectangles with blue outline on the sides, so this looks like it was repainted still in US to Bell "transport" marking, e.g. red star in the white disc and subsequently white disc was repainted green in SU. So I added AMT-4 green disc under red star also onto "103".

Here, regarding "42", I put together all already posted pictures:

Black arrows show possition of slightly darker area, it could correspond to the hinge line. It is darker than area to the right from it, so it looks like unpainted part of the rudder, not white in shadow.
Alternatives:
1.) Planes "28" and "81" from 28 giap / 5 giad had painted white band either on the tail or on the rear fuselage.
2.) Ovsyannikov ("42"): "I think the rudders were also white..."
...it seems that the white part of the rudder was the back one. Where the curvature disappears behind the elevator, the rudder is nearly ended, I don't think that they masked a olive nail of 3 cm.
I would agree with that. Unless new/better photo evidence will prove something else.
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« Reply #95 on: April 23, 2014, 06:51:56 AM »

Hi Misos,
this looks right.
To be sure, could you overpose a rear fuselage without white line, but with an external arrow to better see where the hinge line should be?
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« Reply #96 on: April 24, 2014, 06:48:29 AM »

Hi Massimo,
here it is:

When lines are kept in the original full length, then fuselage fits as well as leading edge of the tail (e.g. is hidden). Cockpit and rudder does not fit.
When lines are deformed (shortened) in perspective, then fuselage fits as well as white bottom part of rudder and cockipt almost fits, but tail leading edge is not hidden. Anyhow, this seems to be much closer to reality.
In neither case hinge line fits to photo dark area.
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« Reply #97 on: April 24, 2014, 07:37:16 AM »

Hi Misos,
this is interesting. Looks that the rudder was painted white on its 2/3 back, and olive for 1/3 close to the hinge.
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« Reply #98 on: May 01, 2014, 08:38:01 AM »

Hi all,
the recent works of Misos were uploaded at this page:
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/lendlease/p-39/p-39.html
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« Reply #99 on: May 03, 2014, 10:22:56 PM »

I would highly recomend to look through these forums for photos too:
http://forum.evvaul.com/index.php?topic=298.0
http://forum.evvaul.com/index.php?topic=63.0
http://forum.evvaul.com/index.php?topic=73.0
http://forum.evvaul.com/index.php?topic=65.0
http://forum.evvaul.com/index.php?topic=78.0Speaking of Cobras look at these photos for example
http://forum.evvaul.com/index.php?topic=73.msg29939#msg29939
http://www.pobeda.witebsk.by/foto/821iap/161/
http://www.pobeda.witebsk.by/foto/p39/13/
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« Reply #100 on: May 13, 2014, 11:04:53 AM »

Hi,
do you know anybody, please, what is that little vent on the bottom nose fuselage between leg and propeller?


On the production series I saw it only on the late Q versions. It is still not here on the early Q5 version:

Do I only poorly see or it really was not on N, L, K etc. versions.
Thank you in advance.
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« Reply #101 on: May 26, 2014, 06:23:02 AM »

Hi,
was this plane painted with silver/alluninium paint?


It looks quite similiar to these Cobras
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« Reply #102 on: May 26, 2014, 07:47:12 AM »

Hi Misos,
the seaplane was likely silver.
I suppose your real interest is the Cobra. The looks is silvery, but there are two wavy dark parts on the fuselage  behind the wing that are certainly the original grey undersurface. I think that the plane was painted white, and the silvery look is an illusion due to the nearly horizontal sunlight.
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« Reply #103 on: May 26, 2014, 11:55:25 AM »

Massimo , I agree with you.
I saw last year in Lyon's exposition an silvered interpretation of the pic



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« Reply #104 on: May 26, 2014, 12:30:46 PM »

Hi Massimo,
as far as I know, white paint was matt, something like on this Mig3

from http://www.mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/winter1.html
Direct sun is also here (hard edges shadows), we can clearly see reflection on the semi-gloss red on the star, but almost no reflection on white, although on this high contrast photo (on "12") white looks quite glossy:


Here the sun is almost directly behind photographer, one would expect reflection there, but there is nothing:


In opposite, reflections on those Cobras are strong. IMHO those Cobras were painted with silver/alluminium color, something like this tail and spinner:


I agree with you that "wavy dark parts on the fuselage behind the wing are certainly the original grey undersurface." Plus, IMHO, aileron on the left wing is not painted, but all rest wing upper surface is painted. Inner half of the wing looks brighter due to reflection of the bright fuselage.

XAN, that kit in bare metal, it is different story. Plus I do not think it had half of the wing painted red.
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