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« Reply #255 on: September 08, 2019, 09:52:21 AM »

Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. However, seems that Soviets were not very strict with the paints, they used diffefrent shades:

This bright green over blue disk looks like AMT-4 or 4BO or A-24m:


However, this is repainted by pretty dark green, unknown type:


Here is nicely visible the difference between that (oil?) dark green and something like green AMT-4/A-24m/4BO:


So I let it green until proof of the different color appears.
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« Reply #256 on: September 09, 2019, 06:17:15 AM »

Hi,
here is Cobra from 9 iap, renamed to 211 giap in October 27, 1944. This Cobra has several interesting aspects:
- red star also on the tail - according to the VVS standards but very rare on the Cobras,
- reinforced leading edge of the vertical stabilizer,
- and again, reinforced rear fuselage, panted dark green a partially covering left brace of the star:

EDIT Sep 10, 2019:






Text Buffalo Belle is not visible on White 67, neither in this Cobra, co I did not painted it in my profile.



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« Reply #257 on: September 09, 2019, 01:35:08 PM »

Hi Misos,
good work as usual, but the photo of flying 67 seems to show different hair and/or color of the hat.  Probably some of the marks were personalized by pilots.
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« Reply #258 on: September 10, 2019, 04:24:48 PM »

Hi Massimo,
you are right. I corrected/changed color of the hat and replaced picture oin my post above. Thank you for comment.
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« Reply #259 on: September 11, 2019, 06:25:41 PM »

Hi Misos, you're welcome, as usual.
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« Reply #260 on: September 12, 2019, 10:21:46 AM »

Hi Massimo,
when lookingat the spinner od the White 67 it looks brighter the fuselage - seems to be of a different color.
What about something like at this Cobra also from 9 iap? However I do not see here big V with the lady like at White 67.
http://ava.org.ru/iap/211g.htm

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« Reply #261 on: September 12, 2019, 05:54:41 PM »

Hi Misos,
I'm prone to think that both the spinner and the leading edge of the tail of 67 could be red. They appear of the same shade of the star and the thing on the tail has sharp outlines as a mark, more than a retouch.

The photo of 24 is highy interesting. You can see a couple of thin white lines on the wing uppersurfaces, it is likely that the space between was painted with another color as red. A sort of black or red shield is visible on the nose, and victory starlets over it.  I am prone to think that this spinner was red too, it appears a bit darker than the OD.
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« Reply #262 on: September 12, 2019, 06:21:47 PM »

Hi Misos, hi all,
I've uploaded four pages and profiles of your P-39s at http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/lendlease/p-39/p-39.html.
Please, have a look and let me see if all the pages are ok.
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« Reply #263 on: September 12, 2019, 07:16:37 PM »

Hi Massimo,
thank you for posting. However, could you, please, put P-39 21 giap/23 giad just above P-39 69 giap/23 giad to have all 3 planes from 23 giad together?
I am not convinced that leading edge on the tail of White 67 is red (kind of divisional/regimental/squadron? elements of the fast recognition), IMHO it is some Soviet green after repair/reinforcement.

At this photo of White 93 should be also P-39 from 9 iap (http://ava.org.ru/iap/211g.htm) - note a white leaning line on the cannon cover on the prop spinner, it looks like part of the spiral like on the White 24:

But big V with the lady (Bufallo Belle) is also missing on the nose of this plane.

So I will make prop spinner red with the white spiral also at White 67.
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« Reply #264 on: September 12, 2019, 09:05:03 PM »

Hi,
so here is update of the White 67 - red propeller spinner with the white spiral:








Here is really visible something like painted red shield beneath the red arrow and starlets. How many stars is there?

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« Reply #265 on: September 13, 2019, 05:53:47 AM »

Hi Misos,
beautiful profile.
I think that the stars on the shield are 10 (3+4+3).
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« Reply #266 on: September 13, 2019, 06:01:33 PM »

Hi,
here is Cobra flown by I.M.Fanin from 9 iap:





That dark blotch on the side of the front fuselage looks like defect on the photo - darker area going also through the arrow, so I did not paint it. There seems to be only 2 starlets in the bottom row, on its right side seems to be square hatch, typycal fo Q versions. And those thin white lines on the wing looks like aid for aiming during bombing sorties, seen also on other Cobras and other fighters - see screenshoths from the doc film about Pokryshkin:



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« Reply #267 on: September 13, 2019, 10:30:28 PM »

Hi Misos,
I don't think that the shield is a defect of the photo. It doesn't extend over the prop blades nor on the number. There is another thing that extends on the arrow, but it starts on the left of n.24.
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« Reply #268 on: September 14, 2019, 06:57:34 AM »

Hi Massimo,
Thank you for comment. However, it is for discussion. I will make a version with the grey shield (on the red shield red starlets will disapear). And we will see how it looks.
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« Reply #269 on: September 14, 2019, 07:10:29 PM »

Hi,
so here we go - here is White 24 with my interpretation of the painted dark shield beheath starlets:

EDIT: see my updated profile on the next page.

I have to say that noseart with that shield is more interesting.
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