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66misos
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« on: May 29, 2014, 06:12:37 AM »

Hi,
this is continuation of the discussion about possibility of silver/alluminium painted Il-2 from http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=1714.msg14726#msg14726

Massimo, I browsed complete Il-2 section at your Mig-3 page. All winter white paintings are matt, only these two planes are glossy:


and


When looking at theese pictures, I see there several coincidences:
- both planes are photographed in low sun , look at shadows,
- both planes are single seaters - the bottom one has machine gun behind cockpit, the upper one has that part of fuselage hidden behind the wing,
- both have rockets under wings,
- both propeller spinners do not shine same as fuselage, plus seems to have different color,
- demarcation line between bottom fuselage (blue) and upper fuselage is not visible, compare it with Il-2 at http://www.mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/il-2model1942wintercamo.htm



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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2014, 06:38:45 AM »

Hi Misos,
this is right, but you have also to consider the light: looking at the shadows, the'silver' planes are lightened by low clean sun, while the other ones have high sun or cloudy.
I have still some photos of silver-looking Ils, I'll upload as soon as possible.
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2014, 09:21:57 AM »

Hi Massimo,
yes, clear sun can make miracles. Anyhow, here, on these Su-2, is nice direct comparison od matt white (over green) vs. overall gloss white, or more probably silver:



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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2014, 08:39:59 PM »

It looks that the silver? Il-2 No 2 belonged to 65 shap and that the photo was taken in Dec 1941.  It was the Western Front, not the North Front.  More photos of 65 shap Il-2s in winter camouflage are available at http://vif2ne.ru/nvi/forum/arhprint/130854



At that time commander of the regiment was A.N. Vitruk, later a GSS and a general.











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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2014, 10:09:29 PM »

Hi,
just the photos I was thinking to post!
Two of the photos give really the idea of silver paint. But again horizontal light...
The Su-2 is certainly silver.
I'm sure to have seen a movie with a shining Pe-2, I don't know if I can find it again.
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2014, 06:10:36 AM »

Hi KL,
thanks for wonderfull photos. That Il-2 "2" looks really differently from those other Il-2s painted white "in standard" rough way. Compare it with the second photo you posted - overall view on another Il-2.
Although I am not sure with the third photo (plane with covered engine) - nice overal paint, but it does not look like silver, at least spinner Huh This was spayed, look at propeller blade.
But photos 5 and 6 - look at the spinner and prop. blades. Clear, sharp edges, it looks like painted with brush.
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2014, 06:26:39 PM »

Hi Misos,
This photo is interesting:


Front part of the spinner is painted in permanent (glossy) white as unit quick recognition marking.  rear part of the spinner is painted with temporary/washable (matte) MK-7

On the photo bellow, spinner is probably matte, light blue AMT-7, same as undersides.  Fuselage behind it is matte temp MK-7

Leningrad Front, Feb 1943


This photo is labeled as Leningrad Front, Mar 1943.  IMHO, it isn't white!!!


What colour is it??
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« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2014, 06:50:59 PM »

Konstantin, that last photograph looks silver to me. Interesting - after all this time researching the Il-2, I never knew about the possibility of silver painted Il-2's. Another item for my modelling guide, if I ever finish it.

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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2014, 08:32:31 PM »

Hi Jason,
yes, silver was an option.  But, my guess is that it didn't appear often on IL-2s.  IMHO, photographic evidence shows that field applied MK-7 was the most common type of winter camouflage even during the winter 1941-42.  Some of those Il-2s that on photos look silver may have been the new planes with factory sprayed MK-7... probably the case with the last plane in my last post.  My guess is also that the probability to see a silver winter camouflaged plane was extremely small after the winter 1942-43.

Still it would be nice to see a "silver over light blue" winter camouflaged Il-2 profile.  That single-seater with rudder number 2 is a good candidate:  There is a reasonably convincing photo, time is OK (Dec 1941 or Jan 1942 - it could be one of those planes that were overhauled in winter 1941-42).

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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2014, 10:47:22 PM »

Hi,
so I have the final candidate, I will try to colorize photo of that Il-2 "2". But before I have to somehow remove that Zaika watermark Undecided
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2014, 10:54:48 PM »

Hi,
this Il-2 of 1943 really looks silver.
Misos, the restoration of the photo before colorizing looks an hard work. Anyway I'm very interested to see the result.
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2014, 12:35:26 PM »

Hi,
here is adapted souce photo, starting point for colorization. It is focused on Il-2, parts of Mig-3 in foreground removed, slightly cleaned, watermark removed.



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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2014, 07:04:34 PM »

Hi Misos, the cleaning of the watermark is well made, but the image requires still much work. Perhaps there is some other version of the photo to cut and paste the nose.
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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2014, 10:49:20 PM »

Hi all,
here is the profile (small)

and the link to the larger image
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/winter-singles/il2-sp-fl-aml-3view-col-2vitruk.jpg

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