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Massimo Tessitori
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« on: June 10, 2014, 02:35:44 PM »

Hi,
I've received some highly interesting photos from Antti Lappalainen, Conservation Assistant of Finnish Air Force Museum.













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« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2014, 06:55:11 PM »

My thanks to Mr. Lappalainen.  Excellent photos!!!
Photos of the interior are especially useful.

What are the plans for this MiG-3?  Are they going to restore it or just to display preserved parts?

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KL
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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2014, 08:26:27 PM »

Fantastic. Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2014, 09:52:13 PM »

Thank you very much Massimo! Is this colour chart is FS?
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2014, 10:21:36 PM »

Hi,
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What are the plans for this MiG-3?  Are they going to restore it or just to display preserved parts?
I think to display spare parts. The most of the metallic parts are missing, at least I think.
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Thank you very much Massimo! Is this colour chart is FS?
Yes, it is FS. He wrote that there aren't exact matches.
The colors of the number on the rudder are particularly interesting. The dark red of the 1 is widely chipped, probably they used some paint that doesn't adhere too well on the nitro. The blue-green is more preserved.
I think to see that the nitro paint was lost on the lower part of the rudder, that is metallic. Seems that there is not zinc chromate here. I'll ask to be sure.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2014, 08:34:29 PM »

Waouh!!!
it's AIIz and AII blue?
it's the first time I see AII blue...
I imagined those paints more glossy (time done his work i imagine)
So interior blue is the same that downside color

Iam working in a I-16. It have to be the same blue in the interior isn't it.
Could the interior colour be blue before june oooof 1940 ?

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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2014, 08:47:37 PM »

From what I see on my computer, 3(2)4097 (for AII Z - AII Green) and 25414 (for AII sv.gol. - AII Blue) seem to be almost exact matches for the present colours on those MiG-3 parts. Hard to tell how much they've changed over time, though. Any thoughts, anyone?

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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2014, 08:59:46 PM »

it's AIIz and AII blue?
it's the first time I see AII blue...
I imagined those paints more glossy (time done his work i imagine)

Those are 1940-41 AII Protective Green and AII Light Blue.  Somewhat different than colours used before.


So interior blue is the same that downside color
Iam working in a I-16. It have to be the same blue in the interior isn't it.
Could the interior colour be blue before june oooof 1940 ?

Clearly the metal panel is light blue, most likely A-18f. Panel is most likely in factory colours, so this could be considered as the standard interior colour for Zavod 1 in 1940-41.  I would hesitate to extend this as a standard for other factories...  Light blue as an interior colour during the 1937-1940 period is extremely unlikely - it wasn't used for undersides, it probably wasn't produced...

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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2014, 09:06:16 PM »

I agree with you Jason, but for the green other ref are possible too.
In the first pic we can even see a diference of tonality between AII greeen and A-19f in the metal part who is lighter

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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2014, 09:10:10 PM »

Xan, you can see that difference even in GPW photographs. The wooden parts appear darker. Apparently the AII Z darkened with age, and the A-19f Green didn't (or maybe the AII Z didn't fade, and the A-19f did).

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« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2014, 07:06:00 PM »

Great pictures indeed! Too late to improve the accuracy of my MiG-3: everything is closed now. Undecided
Very interesting is the green rear cockpit bay with natural wood radio compartment.
Canopy frames seem to me gray: A-14? But the connecting frame between the fuselage and the rear canopy is green as the fuselage surrounding. It seems to me it shows a certain accuracy in finishing the aircraft. Perhaps, this could have been changed on wartime-built airframes?
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2014, 10:02:50 PM »

Hi Otto, hi all,
here are some notes from Antti that answer to some questions:
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About the varnished wood, I think the laquer has pigmented, with raw or
burnt umber perhaps.
The wooden parts are little reddish, not pure natural. It's easier to
brush the laquer if it's a little bit pigmented, you can see where the
layer is thick enough.
The preserved side panel really is a little bit lighter shade of green
than the wooden part. I can't say is it because the yellow primer putty
underneath the green surface paint on the wooden parts,
because of thicker layer of paint on the wooden parts and/or thinner
layer on metallic parts.
The metallic parts of the rudder didn't got zinc chromate, there were
patches of repair paint, but it was also chipped. No underside blue
visible on the rudder. The red paint on the rudder was chipped and a
quite dark shade.
The metallic inner structure of the canopy was grey anodized metal, no
paint at all.
Unfortunately we don't have much other parts of the fuselage. At the
Vesivehmaa is an elevator from 2171 and a wing, but I'm not sure is it
from this particular MiG-3 or from another individual.
The MiG-3 is going to an exhibition at the Anti-Aircraft Museum at
Tuusula. They are going to display it "as is".

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Massimo
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2014, 01:03:21 AM »

Xan, you can see that difference even in GPW photographs. The wooden parts appear darker. Apparently the AII Z darkened with age, and the A-19f Green didn't (or maybe the AII Z didn't fade, and the A-19f did).

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Jason

Like this? (courtesy of KL):


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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2014, 06:01:51 PM »

Yes, John, exactly!

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Jason
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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2014, 09:28:37 PM »

Hello!

Nice to hear that my photos are helpful. If you have any questions regarding this MiG-3, I'll try to answer to the best of my knowledge.

Best Regards,

Antti
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