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barneybolac
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« on: January 01, 2015, 06:11:25 PM »



http://forum.warthunder.ru/index.php?/topic/74613-istoriia-nadpisei-i-risunkov-na-samoletakh-sssr/page-4
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2015, 08:18:38 PM »

Interesting!
I suppose that the plane was a La-5FN. If one can understand the number, it could be good for a profile.
The second digit is certainly a 5.  The first one... we can only say that it is not a 1 or 7, nor  3 or 4. Probably not a 5.  Remain 0, 2, 6,8,9.

Another interesting image of a yak-7 from the same page:


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barneybolac
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2015, 08:22:41 PM »

Per this link 34 IAP Defense of Moscow .

http://vk.com/wall-71044380?offset=340&z=photo-71044380_353038764%2Falbum-71044380_00%2Frev


http://vk.com/wall-71044380?offset=340
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2015, 10:10:31 PM »

an automatic translation:
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Captain Al's Soviet GN Urvachёv (left), 34 IAP defense of Moscow
in fighter La-5, near the art. 1945.
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barneybolac
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2015, 03:12:37 AM »

Couple of differently painted aircraft.



This one #42 below came from this link. Claims it is from 10th GIAP Air Baltic Fleet.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.libma.ru%2Ftransport_i_aviacija%2Faviacija_i_vremja_2006_05%2Fp3.php&edit-text=







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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2015, 06:31:41 AM »

Hi,
very interesting, seems a white and red nose. Pity that the caption is useless and even wrong, says that the plane has a ASh-82 engine, but it is a La-5F with ASh-82F instead.
The second one is interesting for its non-standard numbers. The spinners look white, as the cowling rings. Is it possible that they are from the same unit?

Look at this. Isn't its light look unusual?


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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2015, 06:42:15 PM »

Could it be some type of winter camouflage?

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« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2015, 12:03:32 AM »

Is it a bubble top or a razor back I can't quite tell? I think the number is #91 not real sure on that either. If its a bubble top this would be the first photo of a Winter scheme I have ever seen.
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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2015, 04:12:38 AM »

It's a bubble-top; if nothing else, you can tell from the radio mast. It looks like it might even be an La-5FN (look at the top of the cowling).

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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2015, 04:56:36 AM »

It's a bubble-top; if nothing else, you can tell from the radio mast. It looks like it might even be an La-5FN (look at the top of the cowling).

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Jason

OK I am seeing it now. The rudder is clearly a solid white then everything up to the rear of the cockpit is camo that is roughly sprayed over white. A very clear line & then something else going on until you get to the engine cowls again. I initially did not get that excited on this photo when Massimo pointed it out I just thought it was a razor back.



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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2015, 05:16:36 AM »

Since the winter camouflage was still used for the winter of 1943/44, and the La-5FN went into service in 1943, perhaps we shouldn't be surprised to see an La-5FN in what appears to be winter camouflage; still, I believe it will be the first one that I've seen a photograph of. Right now I'm in the midst of writing a book on the Lavochkin fighters of the Second World War, so this is interesting and very topical stuff to me.

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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2015, 04:00:38 PM »

Hi all,
I see some contrast, with the uppersurfaces slightly darker than the undersurfaces. Besides the dresses of the men suggest a mild season. I think that the plane is strongly faded, but I don't think that this means it has a white winter camouflage.
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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2015, 05:02:36 PM »

The uniforms look Naval uniforms, as seen on the Yak-7 photo with non standard colours from here http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/1943-45-fighters/1943-45.html



Perhaps another Naval unit variation?

Given the small image size, it could just be very faded AMT-11/12,  there might be traces of the camo pattern on the wing.

And, there is precedent for an overall grey repaint on the famous war-weary Sharkmouth La-5. 
http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=1209.0

Just some suggestions, no proof.




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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2015, 05:38:44 PM »

Those are indeed Naval uniforms, and I had the same thought Troy; is it possible that this is some non-standard Naval camouflage?

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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2015, 08:40:23 PM »

In the link I posted earlier in the thread. On there is a few photos & they list them as 10th GIAP Air Baltic Fleet.
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