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Author Topic: La's of 790 IAP  (Read 14679 times)
barneybolac
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« on: February 08, 2015, 03:07:21 AM »

Stumbled across these two aircraft with some interesting markings. Any more known about these espically the La-7 with the badge nose art what is that emblem?

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Arts/Art4628.htm





Also while at it this La-7 anymore known about it?



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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2015, 04:51:00 AM »

Stumbled across these two aircraft with some interesting markings. Any more known about these espically the La-7 with the badge nose art what is that emblem?

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Arts/Art4628.htm





Also while at it this La-7 anymore known about it?





Translated the text on the LA-7 photo.

"Fighter La-7 bearing the number "27" the commander of the 1st AE Major A.K.Sannikova; on the hood of the engine are shown in white arrow (the sign of the rapid identification of aircraft in the air 790 IAP) and the Order of Kutuzov. Sit on the fuselage technology, from left to right: st.serzhant Jacob Rosenbaum, st.serzhant Akhtam Kasimov, st.serzhant Nikolai Eremin. The picture was taken at the airport Shchuchin in Belarus in autumn 1945.
Aviation and Space 2007-07 / M.Nikolsky - 790 th Fighter III degree Order of Kutuzov Regiment"


So Order of Kutuzov Regiment III rd class is the badge ID.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Kutuzov
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2015, 08:00:56 AM »

Hi,
great photos, thank you for posting. I like the badge on the nose very much. The La-5 seems numbered 17.
Pity that they don't show the rear part of the planes.   Who knows if there is any more information on the Russian book?
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2015, 12:26:11 PM »

Excellent images, thanks for sharing!

An interesting point is that wing root sand filter is clearly visible on the third image.
Does this suggest GPW use of these?
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2015, 02:00:11 AM »

This is not a 790 IAP La-7 I thought I would keep it in this thread for the recent info on these La-7's I have been looking for. Anyone know what unit this is with?
The link refers to the pilot as A.I.Mayorova.

Using google translator it says ST Georges & a word that makes no sense for the slogan?

http://aviadejavu.ru/Site/Crafts/Craft19957.htm

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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2015, 03:30:00 PM »

Hi,
I've asked Ilya Grinberg. Here is his answer:
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Speaking of the photograph, although the inscription is partially obstructed, there is little doubt the the text says Georgievskiy Putyeyets. The first word describes the region and the second word means affiliation with railway.
So it is Railman from Georgievsk.
Clearly, railway workers from Georgievsk raised funds and the aircraft was allocated with an inscription to recognize their contributions.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2015, 09:47:47 PM »

Hi,
I've asked Ilya Grinberg. Here is his answer:
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Speaking of the photograph, although the inscription is partially obstructed, there is little doubt the the text says Georgievskiy Putyeyets. The first word describes the region and the second word means affiliation with railway.
So it is Railman from Georgievsk.
Clearly, railway workers from Georgievsk raised funds and the aircraft was allocated with an inscription to recognize their contributions.
Regards
Massimo

Thank you this makes sense now the online translations are sketchy at best.

Now to figure who this aircraft was with during the war.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2015, 12:10:49 AM »

One more aircraft I have a question on. The profiles I have found on this La-7 from the 813th show it with a red or orange looking nose. The photo seems to show a colour other than red.
Thoughts as to what colour it is?









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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2015, 09:42:17 PM »

Hi,
I've asked both to Alex Ruchkovsky and to Timoshenko.
AR thinks that the plane is still bearing the factory camouflage, even if worn and retouched, because it thas still the numbers in the factory 21 style. He says that this unit should have a white band under the star... and I think to see a very worn white band on the fuselage undersurface under the number.
He thinks that the nose is painted with a different shade of red, lighter than the one of stars. I think to have seen different shades of red appearing different on bw photos, even if I suspect they are similar when seen to naked eye.
Timoshenko thinks that, if the plane was painted in uniform color, it should be green instead of grey.

It's all that I have collected till now. No sure informations.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2015, 10:00:40 PM »

Hi,
I've asked both to Alex Ruchkovsky and to Timoshenko.
AR thinks that the plane is still bearing the factory camouflage, even if worn and retouched, because it thas still the numbers in the factory 21 style. He says that this unit should have a white band under the star... and I think to see a very worn white band on the fuselage undersurface under the number.
He thinks that the nose is painted with a different shade of red, lighter than the one of stars. I think to have seen different shades of red appearing different on bw photos, even if I suspect they are similar when seen to naked eye.
Timoshenko thinks that, if the plane was painted in uniform color, it should be green instead of grey.

It's all that I have collected till now. No sure informations.
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Massimo


This is helpful I do see what could be a faded band under the #3 as well as one on the top portion of the star.

Would be nice to find more photos of this group.
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2015, 02:01:25 PM »

Yes, more photos would be good.
Or, at least a scan of this photo made with a black sheet on the back of the page. This scan seems to show trasparencies from the back face and could be tricky.
AR added this link to another plane of the same division.
http://cs307408.vk.me/v307408473/58fd/0bbg3SlGz-4.jpg
The second plane shows a nose lighter than the stars, but it is nearly sure that it was red due to the regulations of the division. This seems to confirm the use of a different shade of red.
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Massimo
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2015, 01:32:18 AM »

Yes, more photos would be good.
Or, at least a scan of this photo made with a black sheet on the back of the page. This scan seems to show trasparencies from the back face and could be tricky.
AR added this link to another plane of the same division.
http://cs307408.vk.me/v307408473/58fd/0bbg3SlGz-4.jpg
The second plane shows a nose lighter than the stars, but it is nearly sure that it was red due to the regulations of the division. This seems to confirm the use of a different shade of red.
Regards
Massimo


The link you posted here with that photo was the reason why I thought it was another colour.

This is why.





Always thought it was a strange shade of yellow? I think your right though it is a light shade of red.

These two links support the red nose.
In this instance a red/blue cowling in the first link with the two profiles.

http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/s/sobolev_ap.htm

The second link has a photo that I think matches the red/blue combination. The third aircraft over shows the lower portion of the #81 that is in the profile maybe?



http://arsenal-info.ru/b/book/1679230005/16





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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2015, 03:24:12 PM »

Hi,
you think that the profile n.81 is inspired to the photo below?  It's very likely, but in my idea we can see planes 87 and 31/51 on the background, not 81.
Besides I think that the color of the spinnrer, though unclear, fits better with the front ring than with the side of the cowling.
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barneybolac
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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2015, 06:49:22 PM »

Hi,
you think that the profile n.81 is inspired to the photo below?  It's very likely, but in my idea we can see planes 87 and 31/51 on the background, not 81.
Besides I think that the color of the spinnrer, though unclear, fits better with the front ring than with the side of the cowling.
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Massimo


You are most likely right I was assuming.  Grin
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barneybolac
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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2015, 11:04:03 PM »

Was looking at this video on Youtube it has a few Lavochkins to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOdASyKz3TU

At the end of the film there is a La-5 #05 that crosses in front of a UTI La-5 I think #07? It takes 3 frames to see this aircraft completely. The arrows on that La-5 is not something I have seen before either. They seem to be more on La-7's from the profiles & photos I have seen.

Here is a few still shots I took.









I noticed in this link this La-5 has similar markings & colours possibly the same unit as #05?

http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=239.390

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