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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #15 on: February 21, 2015, 07:03:11 AM »

Hi,
interesting images indeed. Looking at the spinner and the arrow, it is well likely that 04 and 05 are of the same unit.
07 seems not to have the arrow and has a white rudder, presumably different. The plane of the first image has a painted steel plate with the arrow on it, whilethe nose of the star of 05 looks cutten, as if it was painted on the steel plate and the paint has been lost.
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2015, 07:03:02 PM »

Another interesting video showing a squadron starting its engines.

#82 5th aircraft in has some interesting tail markings & no white or silver borders on the stars on the tail or the fuselage compared to the rest. Possibly a different engine cowl colour as well.

The film is at the 8.31 min mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5z-ZnF-vow





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« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2015, 08:18:33 PM »

Was looking at this video on Youtube it has a few Lavochkins to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOdASyKz3TU

At the end of the film there is a La-5 #05 that crosses in front of a UTI La-5 I think #07? It takes 3 frames to see this aircraft completely. The arrows on that La-5 is not something I have seen before either. They seem to be more on La-7's from the profiles & photos I have seen.
Great film, thank you!

Could #05 and #07 with white spinners and rudders be from 191 IAP?

Cheers,

AaCee
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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2015, 09:31:08 PM »

Hi,
the movie doesn't show if plane 05 has a white rudder or not. The first plane with an arrow, seen from the rear, hasn't a white rudder.
The movie shows some Lavochkins with nice oblique bands on the tail too.
Plane 82 is really strange and interesting. I wonder if it has a star on the tail, it should extend on the white parts of the rudder but I can't see this.
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Massimo
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2015, 10:17:19 PM »

Was looking at this video on Youtube it has a few Lavochkins to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOdASyKz3TU

At the end of the film there is a La-5 #05 that crosses in front of a UTI La-5 I think #07? It takes 3 frames to see this aircraft completely. The arrows on that La-5 is not something I have seen before either. They seem to be more on La-7's from the profiles & photos I have seen.
Great film, thank you!

Could #05 and #07 with white spinners and rudders be from 191 IAP?

Cheers,

AaCee


#07 I think is the first prototype LA-5 UTI no rear canopy was put on this aircraft & the latter photo of 07 with the white rudder seems to show the same thing?





Also there is another UTI La-5 #100 that has the same white rudder.





This might narrow down possibility's for those more knowledgeable.


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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2015, 10:28:18 PM »

Hi,
The movie shows some Lavochkins with nice oblique bands on the tail too.

Regards
Massimo

Have identified the unit with the oblique bands.



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« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2015, 07:47:02 AM »

Hi,
looking better at th tail of n.82, I think to see the upper brace of a star as an interruption in the white oblique border of the rudder.
Plane 07 could really be the same after white repaintings. I wonder if the slogan was preserved.
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Massimo
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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2015, 06:18:10 AM »

Was looking at this video on Youtube it has a few Lavochkins to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOdASyKz3TU

At the end of the film there is a La-5 #05 that crosses in front of a UTI La-5 I think #07? It takes 3 frames to see this aircraft completely. The arrows on that La-5 is not something I have seen before either. They seem to be more on La-7's from the profiles & photos I have seen.
Great film, thank you!

Could #05 and #07 with white spinners and rudders be from 191 IAP?

Cheers,

AaCee

Can only find partial pictures but none complete with these La-5's and the arrows painted on the side.

116 IAP.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsoviet-aces-1936-53.ru%2Fabc%2Fu%2Fulitin.htm&edit-text=

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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2015, 11:05:18 PM »

Hi,
He says that this unit should have a white band under the star...

Massimo


Was looking at a profile of the 813 IAP La-5 with a white stripe.



I think I may have found this aircraft in this Youtube video or at least one very much like it seventy?? something for the number. It is only visible for a brief moment & the video quality is not the best.

Can be seen at the 23.14 min mark.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5f2sSQDhEU

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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2015, 07:47:32 AM »

Hi,
I've had a look to the video.
The number could be 71 (or 74).
The light stripe looks darker than the outline of the star;
all the cowling looks glossy red;
there is a sort of black triangle where you have marked 'badge'. Could it be part of a Guards edge or what else?
Regards
Massimo
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« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2015, 04:32:59 PM »

Hi,
Could it be part of a Guards edge or what else?
Regards
Massimo


That was what I was thinking part of the badge.
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« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2015, 04:55:25 PM »

Was looking at this video on Youtube it has a few Lavochkins to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOdASyKz3TU

At the end of the film there is a La-5 #05 that crosses in front of a UTI La-5 I think #07? It takes 3 frames to see this aircraft completely. The arrows on that La-5 is not something I have seen before either. They seem to be more on La-7's from the profiles & photos I have seen.
Great film, thank you!

Could #05 and #07 with white spinners and rudders be from 191 IAP?

Cheers,

AaCee

Can only find partial pictures but none complete with these La-5's and the arrows painted on the side.

116 IAP.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsoviet-aces-1936-53.ru%2Fabc%2Fu%2Fulitin.htm&edit-text=



Another pilot from the 116 IAP who is in the photo.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsoviet-aces-1936-53.ru%2Fabc%2Fp%2Fpantelkin.htm&edit-text=
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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2015, 09:07:17 PM »

Hi,
the cowling looks very posished, perhaps it's gloss red.
I wonder if the camouflage is green-black or grey-grey. The contrast of the star suggests a black background.
Regards
Massimo
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« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2015, 12:10:05 AM »

Hi,
the cowling looks very posished, perhaps it's gloss red.
I wonder if the camouflage is green-black or grey-grey. The contrast of the star suggests a black background.
Regards
Massimo

Silver or yellow #37?
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2015, 07:38:00 AM »

I can't say. There are many photos of planes of the same unit, and it's clear that the outline of the star and the number is repainted and darker than the arrow, but I can't see nor the characteristic reflection of a metallic color and, often,  not even of a glossy color (on this photo, the whole side around the number appears gloss and reflective).
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Massimo
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