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Author Topic: P-39 G.A. Rechkalov  (Read 17196 times)
Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2015, 10:35:12 AM »

Hi,
and the second digit looks 2.
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« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2015, 10:22:36 PM »

Nice founding 66Misos,

I am convinced that more interesting photos are to come to the light and finally we can see the full P39N serial 42-8747 with victory stars on the nose on serial 42547 on the tail.

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« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2015, 04:05:23 PM »

Hi,
another officer (except Rechkalov himself and Pokryshkin) photographed in front of Rechkalov's Cobra - Major B.B. Glinka, then commander of 16 giap:

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« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2015, 02:31:00 AM »

Hi Misos,
regarding the photo recently posted at the AIF:



since Klubov has a "pilotka" cap, photo was probably taken on a different occasion and it could be from following series:







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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2015, 06:43:38 AM »

Hi KL,
firstly let me welcome you back after so long time Smiley
Thak Klubov's Cobra serial number starting with "2", so it is different plane (although could be same photo session) - each hero with his plane:

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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2015, 08:03:36 PM »

Hi,
here I made two profiles of Rechkalov's Cobra P-39N0 S/N: 42-8747, one from July 1944 and another one from August 1944. It is N-0 version, so it has wing guns, but it has tail&rudder replaced from another Cobra S/N: 44-2547, e.g Q-15 version. This interpretation is based on the discussion above. I hope new photo will appear and will finally prove or correct my outcomes from discussions:





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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2015, 08:14:28 PM »

Hi Misos,
it's not about Klubov's or Rechkalov's Airacobras, it's about Klubov's cap.   Smiley

On previous photo with Rechkalov, Trud, and B. Glinka, Klubov (first from left) wears "furazhka" kap ("peaked cap" or "forage cap" according to Wikipedia).



On the photo with Rechkalov shaking hands with B.Glinka, Klubov (second from right) wears "pilotka" cap ("side cap" or a "garrison cap" / "flight cap" in the United States, a "wedge cap" in Canada, or "field service cap" in the United Kingdom...)



Two photos were most likely made on two occasions, i.e.. on different dates.

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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2015, 06:26:14 AM »

Hi Misos,
are there updates incoming for your page on P-39s?
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2015, 08:34:26 PM »

Hi Misos,
Some of the photos that you already have, but in better condition or higher resolution:



http://waralbum.ru/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/0_bf96_48af9c7d_-1-orig.jpg





Last photo was taken by photo correspondent Izrail Ozerskiy.  According to RIA Novosti (TASS) photo was taken on June 1, 1944 (could be a mistake... July 1st makes more sense).
Ozerskii is one of the famous GPW photographers - his most famous photo is called "Солдатский труд"



Ozerskii also photographed female sniper Ludmila Pavlichenko



You have probably seen these photos before...

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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2015, 09:50:06 PM »

Hi,
KL, thanks a lot for your inputs.
Massimo, I will see. This Rechkalov could be there after discussions are finished.
In the meantime, another Rechakalov's Kobra. No known photo of the rear part exists, so I made original tail with original serial number:



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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2015, 10:04:15 PM »

Hi,
here is Rechakalov's Cobra with 60 victory starlets. Regarding source photo see my Reply #8 above.



The "template" ot Rechakalov's Cobra is done, so why not to make this one?
And probably the last one will be his D-2 version.
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2015, 11:57:18 PM »

...Rechkalov's Cobra P-39N0 S/N: 42-8747, ... It is N-0 version, so it has wing guns, but it has tail&rudder replaced from another Cobra S/N: 44-2547, e.g Q-15 version.

Hi Misos,
this  interpretation with replacement parts is definitively original. It looks that existing "photographic evidence" actually supports it - it is clear that 42-8747 had different tail number (42547) in summer 1944. Only problem that I have is that the entire tail came from another plane; IMHO, only tail fin was a replacement part while rudder was an original plane part.

Number 42547 is a composite; first 3 digits are from whatever P-39Q and the last two numbers are from an old P-39N 42-8747.

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« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2015, 06:49:00 AM »

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Number 42547 is a composite; first 3 digits are from whatever P-39Q and the last two numbers are from an old P-39N 42-8747.
If so, the number on the other side could  be different.
The position of 47 on the rudder fits only for a five digits code.
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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2015, 07:58:44 PM »

Hi KL,
...IMHO, only tail fin was a replacement part while rudder was an original plane part.
Number 42547 is a composite; first 3 digits are from whatever P-39Q and the last two numbers are from an old P-39N 42-8747.
Yes, this is one of "working hypotheses". Also member on Czech forum who came up with this theory, preffer only fix part of the tail replaced, with original rudder, e.g. number from the right side should be different.
Why do you think so?
On this picture:

the rudder seems to has different color from the fix part, but it could be matter of different angle/refflection, different material weathering etc. Unless I have photo from the right side I would preffer replacement of the whole tail, rudder included.

Here is profile how Rechkalov's P-39D-2 could appear:

I do not know any photo of this Cobra, it is estimated according to the photos of other D-2 from the same unit and time. E.Pilawsky mentioned serial number 138547 (e.g. 41-38547) and fuselage number "40". However, "40" belonged to the other, Babak's Cobra:

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« Reply #29 on: May 09, 2015, 11:10:50 PM »

Hi Misos,
it's a theory, no proofs, at one moment it looked logical, but now I am doubtful...

That yellow tail number was important ? it was used as plane's ID.  Planes were identified in official reports, etc. with that number.  Because of that the number had to be unique.  From these facts it logically follows that:

- a plane that was slightly damaged and repaired using parts from other planes had to keep its original ID number

- ID number of a plane that was damaged beyond repair and written off, couldn?t have been reused because this could have caused confusion (in administration)

- a completely rebuilt plane (or a composite plane made from parts of several other planes) would have received a new unique number.


IMHO, Rechkalov?s P-39 was a third case? or my second conclusion wasn't correct?.

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KL
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