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Author Topic: P-39 A.F. Klubov  (Read 8271 times)
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« Reply #30 on: June 03, 2015, 11:18:28 PM »





Hi Misos,
white line under the "pilotka" should be much wider than what you have:  its as wide as white outline on fuselage red star, or as wide as line used to write yellow tail numbers.
Check the photos:



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« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2015, 12:34:47 PM »

Hi Misos, thank you very much for these images.
I think that this plane had red spinner and ring, as written into the text, and white-red tips of the propeller (the white line on it doesn't correspond to a bend line).
It seems the type with the shutters on the intakes, I think to see a darker zone corresponding to the grid in front of the landing gear bay.
The wide stars seem those of Z.381.
I wonder the reason of the irregularities of the shades  on the number, it looks made by stencil (normal, in factory) and then retouched with a darker shade on the junctions only. That is unusual.
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« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2015, 04:54:22 PM »

Hi,

to Massimo,
Pokryshkin's La-7 seems to be again interesting topic worth separate thread - so I made it in Lavochkin section at http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=2075.msg17170#msg17170
I have posted there additional info and pictures.

When looking at these pictures:

I realised that they painted black outline around the red star, although it already was not standard. IMHO it was due to the low contrast/visibility of the red star on the OD background, e.g. red alone was not an ideal option for marking on OD surface.

to KL,
thanks for comment. I corrected it. Hope this is really final version:


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« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2015, 08:13:03 PM »

Hi,
here I made 3-view of Klubov's Cobra "45" to show red stars on the wings:



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« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2015, 09:06:55 PM »

Hi Misos,
it's good as usual, but  a small part of the upper view is missing.
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« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2015, 06:20:15 AM »

Hi Massimo,
thanks for comment. Picture in my Reply #33 above is corrected now.
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« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2018, 09:06:44 AM »

Hi,
I have found an interesting photo of Klubov's Kobra at http://www.soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/abc/k/klubov.htm

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Interesting details:
- board number looks like "30", not "45" as usually drawn and mentioned in e.g. Tabachenko's book about 16 giap,
- serial number in the tail starts with digits 29...,
- inner wing gun is missing in the wings, there is only a hole visible on the right wing,
- leading edge of the tail is repainted (after repair?),
- the original dark starlet without white outline in the bottom row is repainted white

Compare it with this photo:


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« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2018, 06:18:59 PM »

Hi Misos,
the third number on the tail looks 1. The front of the fin is not only darker, but glossy too. Could it be red?
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« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2018, 09:15:05 PM »

Hi Massimo,
the weathered Olive Drab is hard matt and relatively light and brownish. IMHO the tail leading edge is painted semigloss green AMT-4 after some repair.
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« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2018, 07:20:47 AM »

Hi Misos,
enlarging the photo, one can see that the area is highly gloss with a sharp white reflection line, besides its edges are very sharp and straight, This suggests a marking, not a retouch.
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« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2018, 12:05:15 AM »

Hi Massimo,
there was no VVS Cobra with serial 27..., so I corrected it on 29... With your 1 the seria number could be something between 29127 and 29199, e.g. version N-1.

IMHO leading edge of the tail is simply repair/repaint, similar to this:


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« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2018, 10:50:10 AM »

Hi Misos,
yes, the painting on the tail is similar, but how do we know for sure that this one is a green repainting? Again, it looks a mark.
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« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2018, 02:04:58 PM »

Hi Massimo,

I have found interesting info in A.I. Tabachenko's book Покрышкинский авиаполк. Нелакированные боевые хроники. 16-й гвардейский истребительский авиационный полк в боях с люфтваффе. 1943-1945

"ПРИКАЗ
16 ГВАРДЕЙСКОМУ ИСТРЕБИТЕЛЬНОМУ АВИАПОЛКУ
№ 028
4 марта 1944 г.
Действующая Армия
СОДЕРЖАНИЕ: О выплате денежного вознаграждения летному составу полка за 30, 50, 80 успешно проведенных боевых вылетов без поломок, аварий и потерь ориентировки.

...6.) Командиру эскадрильи гвардии капитану Клубову Александру Федоровичу, за успешно проведенные 50 боевых вылетов с 1.9. по 1.10.43 года и 1.9. по 3.12.43 года 80 боевых вылетов 1.9. по 6.11.43 года на самолете Аэрокобра № 29157, выплатить денежное вознаграждение в сумме 7000 рублей.

7.) Командиру АЭ гвардии капитану Еремину Павлу Кузмичу, за успешно проведенные 80 боевых вылетов с 1.9. по 1.12.43 года на самолете Аэрокобра 29146, выплатить денежное вознаграждение в сумме 4000 рублей..."


It is and Order from March 4, 1944, according to which Klubov was paid 7000 rubels for 50+80 combat flights from Sep 1 till Dec 3, 1943 at his Aerocobra No. 29157.

The photo of the Cobra board number "30" shows digits 291... from the seroal  number on the tail.
So Cobra with board number "30" could have the serial number 29157.

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« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2018, 06:30:33 PM »

Hi Misos,
this finding is very interesting, I hope that a profile will be done of this interesting plane.
Have you found further images of planes with the sharp painting or repainting on the fin leading edge?
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« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2018, 09:04:10 AM »

Hi Massimo,

another Cobra with repainted leading edge or front part of the tail is Sukhov's Cobra:



There was potentially very good reason to repaint it, more at https://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/lendlease/p-39/misos/sukhov/sukhov.htm

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