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Author Topic: P-39 A.F. Klubov  (Read 13215 times)
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« Reply #45 on: June 26, 2018, 06:47:34 PM »

Hi Misos,
have you reason to think that some metal panel was added there? It doesn't appear on your drawings.
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« Reply #46 on: June 27, 2018, 11:56:27 AM »

Hi Massimo,
metal plates - factory made reinforcement of the rear fuselage was done on the late Q Cobras, see more at http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=1515.msg11120#msg11120.
Klubov's Cobra is N version and Sukhov's Cobra is some Q version, however nothing like local made reinforcement is visible on the photos of those two Cobras. Therefore I did not make it on my drawings.
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« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2018, 02:46:49 PM »

Hi Misos,
in consideration of the fact that it's unlikely that a new plate was added on the fin, I don't see resemblance between the repainting of the plane of Sukhov and the ones with the sharp painting.
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« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2018, 09:04:11 PM »

...Have you found further images of planes with the sharp painting or repainting on the fin leading edge?...

...I don't see resemblance between the repainting of the plane of Sukhov and the ones with the sharp painting.

Hi Massimo.
I am sorry but I did not understand what planes and what metal plates you meant. I thought you meant rear fuselage reinforcement.
You asked for another sharp painting or repainting. So I provided another photo of repainting, even not so sharp.
I know repainting on the Klubov's Cobra looks differently from repainting on Sukhov's Cobra but they both are repaintings of the leading edge of the tail.
Of course I am not sure about the particular color. However I never met any info or photo supporting thoughts about red leading edge on any plane in 16 giap. Therefore I consider different green color more probable (although not 100% sure) than red color for leading edge of the tail on Klubov's Cobra.
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« Reply #49 on: June 30, 2018, 01:43:38 PM »

Hi,
here is the profile showing how Klubov's Cobra "White 30", s/n: 29157 could look like:



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« Reply #50 on: June 30, 2018, 10:13:01 PM »

Hi Misos,
nice work. Will you update the page on P-39s?
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« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2018, 10:06:10 AM »

Hi Massimo,
thank you. I will sent you an article - summary of several previous posts in this thread, hopefully next week.
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« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2018, 10:09:11 AM »

Hi Misos,
very well. I'm updating the page on Galchenko including all the considerations emerged in recent years.
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« Reply #53 on: July 05, 2018, 12:24:48 PM »

Hi,

here are additional info to "close the circle" Klubov and this Cobra "30", photographed sometime in the summer 1944:

1.) Klubov tragically died on November 1, 1944 when after landing his new La-7 fighter skidded off the airfield and nosed over.

2.) A.I. Tabachenko's book Pokryshkinskiy aviapolk - Nelakirovannye boevye chroniki (Pokryshkin Regiment - unvarnished combat chronicles) 1943-1945
"15 декабря (1944) гвардии лейтенант Иван Онищенко, выполняя упражнение № 37 и 43 КБПИА-44, во время стрельбы с самолета по наземным целям...самолет пролетел еще около 250 м, ударился правым крылом, а затем носом о землю и разрушился. Летчик погиб, самолет был полностью разбит...катастрофа самолета Аэрокобра (Р-39 № 29157, с мотором Аллисон Е-19 № 160234), пилотируемого командиром звена 16-го гиап гвардии лейтенантом Иваном Онищенко..."

On December 15 (1944) Guard Lieutenant Ivan Onishchenko, performing exercise No. 37 and 43 of the KBPIA-44, while shooting from an airplane onto the ground targets ... the plane flew about 250m more, hit the ground with right wing, then with the nose and crashed on the ground. The pilot was killed, the plane was completely destroyed ... the crash of the Aerocobra (P-39 No. 29157, with the Allison E-19 engine No. 160234), piloted by the commander of the 16th Guy Guard Lieutenant Ivan Onishchenko ...

One can assume that this Cobra, then flown by Onishchenko, did not have its nose decorated with Klubov's victories.
Note the victory starlets were painted strictly on the plate. So the plate with Klubov's starlets could be simply removed and replaed by another, starlets-free plate.
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« Reply #54 on: July 05, 2018, 01:59:34 PM »

Hi Misos,
interesting, this seems to confirm that the planes were not individual, and the victories plate was moved from one plane to another.
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