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« on: July 29, 2015, 02:20:44 AM » |
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I had never stumbled across this one before, and as it's 1/72 scale, I thought some of you might find it interesting. I don't normally do 1/72 and so don't know the market, so apologies if this is old news. (But I bought it anyway  )  |
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Troy Smith
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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2015, 04:41:38 AM » |
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HI JP the Finns used a couple of MiG-21 variants, the MiG-21 F-13, and later the MiG-21Bis Eduard did a boxing of this in 1/48th  this is a reasonable basic guide to what version is what of the MiG-21 and F-7.... http://www.mig-21.de/english/technicaldataversions.htmmakes my head spin though! |
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JP
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2015, 04:59:33 AM » |
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Dang! I missed that in 1/48. Thanks for the tip!
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2015, 07:39:04 AM » |
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Hi,
I've already the Fujimi kit of 1990, both the bis and the SMT, but I am not satisfied with its shape. It was an extraordinarily expensive model then, but it's still in the box (as the most part of my models, anyway).
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Massimo
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Troy Smith
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2015, 04:01:57 PM » |
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Dang! I missed that in 1/48. Thanks for the tip!
Hi JP there was a heated debate about the Eduard MiG-21 Bis, as the fudged it and didn't add a new nose, using the MF nose http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/3916-mig-21mf-vs-mig-21bis-nose-difference/?langid=1a correction set exists http://coldwarstudio.com/MiG-21%20bis%20nose%2048.htmlSorry, don't know more, my limited interest is more in earlier MiG-21s, as used by Arab AF's, sadly Eduarrd have not done a MiG-21 F-13, and the Trumpeter kit is a classic middling effort by them, and the FL's used by India, which I can see Edaurd doing eventually. The biggest problem with Eduard kits is working out is what box, if you want to do something not specifically done by them, bewildering amount of sprues.... HTH T |
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AC26
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2015, 10:15:16 PM » |
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Hi all, [/quote]there was a heated debate about the Eduard MiG-21 Bis, as the fudged it and didn't add a new nose, using the MF nose http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/3916-mig-21mf-vs-mig-21bis-nose-difference/?langid=1a correction set exists http://coldwarstudio.com/MiG-21%20bis%20nose%2048.html[/quote] If I have understood correct BIS has slightly shorter intake lip front ring - easily seen in the photos - and a bit bigger intake as it has more powerful engine than the earlier "big radar" MiG-21s. This might cause also slightly different curvature of the nose profile just behind the intake lip. I can't see it in the photos, other people might have better eye for shapes. IIRC Eduard has different intake front rings fr the BIS and the earlier models. I've already the Fujimi kit of 1990, both the bis and the SMT, but I am not satisfied with its shape. In local IPMS magazine IPMS-Mallari there were 15 years or so ago several part article handling the Finnish Air Force MIGs or at least the MiG-21UM and MiG-21BIS. Also then available models were reviewed with millimeter police way. What I remember was that Fujimi was a great kit but so good model. Main issues were badly shaped dorsal fuel tank (spine), too small tail planes, wing in wrong location, odd shaped main wheel bulge and so on. Even ancient KP kit was said to be better in shape wise! They thought that best way to do an accurate BIS was to start from some Polish kit of MiG-1MF. Unfortunately I don't just now remember the brand and the magazines are not in hand. It was either there or somewhere else were Bilek PF/PFM was said "basically most correct" second generation MiG-21. Both the Zvezda and RV have problems with the spine. Zvezda is too narrow from back and RV is too fat... Cheers, AaCee |
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2015, 12:48:35 PM » |
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Hi, If I have understood correct BIS has slightly shorter intake lip front ring - easily seen in the photos - and a bit bigger intake as it has more powerful engine than the earlier "big radar" MiG-21s. This might cause also slightly different curvature of the nose profile just behind the intake lip. I can't see it in the photos, other people might have better eye for shapes. IIRC Eduard has different intake front rings fr the BIS and the earlier models. Well'I've happy to be not the only one that thought that the nose of Bis was different. A lot of years ago, I was very interested into MiG-21. My impression on the Fujimi was that the most visible problem wasn't in the spine, but in the profile of the fuselage under the spine itself that was too high. I would like to know more on this model. Regards Massimo |
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JP
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2015, 03:11:30 PM » |
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Well, being largely ignorant on the kit, mine gets here today. I can post some images later. And you may have to forgive me - I just plan on building the thing. I think it's important that I just get something done before I start getting wrapped up on corrections at this point. The epic, almost decade-long tale of that 1/48 AMT P-40 is begging for conclusion, but I don't feel anywhere near competent enough to finish the work at the level I was at when things got messy. It just sits there on the shelf, mocking me... |
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Troy Smith
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2015, 03:28:39 PM » |
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Hi, If I have understood correct BIS has slightly shorter intake lip front ring - easily seen in the photos - and a bit bigger intake as it has more powerful engine than the earlier "big radar" MiG-21s. This might cause also slightly different curvature of the nose profile just behind the intake lip. I can't see it in the photos, other people might have better eye for shapes. IIRC Eduard has different intake front rings fr the BIS and the earlier models. Well'I've happy to be not the only one that thought that the nose of Bis was different. A lot of years ago, I was very interested into MiG-21. My impression on the Fujimi was that the most visible problem wasn't in the spine, but in the profile of the fuselage under the spine itself that was too high. I would like to know more on this model.Regards Massimo Hi Massimo some discussion here on the Fujimi kit http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/61093-172-fujimi-mig-21-question/Took me a while to find it, this compares various 1/72nd MiG-21 kits. http://fishbed.pagesperso-orange.fr/note section on the Fujimi kits at the top, though the pages seem dead. Maybe accessible via something like Waybackmachine internet archive. Quick check, main page is but not the rest  this maybe of use - Best 1/72 Mig-21 kit MF, Bis & PF versions http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?showtopic=250303JP - the Fujmi is apparently a very nice kit, but not a very accurate one. If suffering from modellers block, build it for fun and don't worry! HTH T |
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AC26
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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2015, 11:01:11 PM » |
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Hi! Good links and information. Most of the issues seems to be there except the clearly too wide canopy. For that dead link I found this one with Google: http://fishbed.pagesperso-orange.fr/fishbedModeling/index.htmlIn addition there are nowadays available the RV MiG-21 series. For the BIS I would start from them with re-shaping the spine. Or wait for Eduard 72revolution to proceed to the MiG-21 family... Fujimi kit is perfect for going back to modelling: Easy built that fits well. Cheers, AaCee |
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