Tu-2 profile drawings

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi Misos,
good work. I wonder why the inner face of the stabilizer is shining, perhaps it was retouched with fresh paint.
Regards
Massimo

[66misos]

Hi,
here is Tu-2P in grey-grey camo:





According to the discussion at http://sovietwarplanes.com/board/index.php?topic=2022.0 it should/could be this plane:




AMt-11/12 areas are estimated according to the photos above and oficial scheme from january 1945:

Regards,
   66misos

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi Misos,
nice artwork, but I can't see anything that suggests that plane 4 has grey/grey painting. For example, I think to see a light band on the rear of the engine cowling, not on the front. Not even the contrast on the photos is convincing for a grey/grey plane, it doesn't seem to that seen on photos of Yaks and Lavochkins.
I would check again the rear canopy, its shape doest't seem as that of the photo.
Regards
Massimo

[66misos]

Hi Massimo,
you are right, the contrast between "possible" AMT-11 and AMT-12 on that TU-2P photo is very low, it is usually more evident on La and Yak photos, but there are also examples with the similar contrast:



I know, it is not proof, but...

Which rear canopy do you mean, please, the rear part of the front canopy or rear upper gunner?
Regards,
   66misos

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi Misos,
I mean the fingernail-like trasparent roof over the rear gunner's pocition. The upper profile should be curved downwards, and the upper profile of the cut should be horizontal. The photo shows this well.
Regards
Massimo

[66misos]

Hi  Massimo,
I corrected trasparent roof over the rear gunner according to the photos:

added some antena or probe on the nose, slightly changed dark grey area on the engine gondola and replaced my picture above.
Thanks for comment.
Regards,
  66misos

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi Misos,
it's much better now.
Regards
Massimo

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi Misos,
Vitaliy has suggested that there is a  face painted on the engine ring, including a smiling mouth as that of emoticons.
Regards
Massimo

[66misos]

...face painted on the engine ring, including a smiling mouth as that of emoticons...

Good idea AFAIK it would be very unusual sence of humor in VVS.

Here is a top view of the grey-grey "White 4" from my previous post:
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AMT-11/AMT-12 areas are made according to the scheme for Pe-2 from January 1945.
I know it is more-less What-if for this particular aircraft, but at least is nicely shows grey-grey scheme


Here at http://www.bellabs.ru/51/Interview/Zajfman-5.html I have found nice photos of overall light grey Tu-2 from 1 GMTAP, September 1948:

Propeller spinners had different color, probably red.
This is another plane, or at least another pilot from the same unit:

Again overall light grey, board number probably red "4".

Similar light grey Tu-2 is visible also on this photo:


Overall light grey paint reminds me this Tu-2D (65), also a couple of years after the war:


Could it be gloss light grey-blue A-36g, used for overall painting on La-9/11/15/17, Yak-9P?
Regards,
   66misos

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi Misos,
for what I see on the photo, this decoration was on the left engine only.  I wonder if they could have used red paint for the eyes and mouth.
The overall light grey plane is interesting, I vote for A-36g.
Regards
Massimo

[66misos]

Hi Massimo,
all photos show complete front part only of the left gondola, the right one is not visible. So I do not know.
Anyhow, something like this?
EDIT Nov 2, 2015:

Regards,
   66misos

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi Misos,
I'm not sure, but I think not to see the mouth on the other engine, or to see something much thinner.
Besides I think that the eyes were black.
Regards
Massimo

[66misos]

Hi Massimo,
"smiling face" is corrected.

Here is next one - bluegrey (A-36g) Tu-2 from 1948 according to the photos above:


Do you know, when they in VVS after the WWII started to paint again red stars on the upper wings?
Regards,
   66misos

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi Misos,
nice profile.
In 1945-1950 there was much confusion on the position of the stars. I think that the standard on 6 positions (tail, upper and lower surface of wings) was established around 1950. I suppose that this Tu-2 hadn't stars on the wing upper surface.
Regards
Massimo

[KL]

In 1945-1950 there was much confusion on the position of the stars. I think that the standard on 6 positions (tail, upper and lower surface of wings) was established around 1950. I suppose that this Tu-2 hadn't stars on the wing upper surface.

Various 1941-45 disruptive camouflage schemes developed for VVS combat planes didn't have stars on upper wing - that is the reason why wartime VVS planes didn't have stars on upper wing surfaces.

As soon as disruptive camouflage disappeared from VVS planes, stars reappeared on wing tops...  IMHO, all postwar VVS planes had stars on upper wing surfaces.

Regards,
KL