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« on: February 21, 2016, 05:22:15 PM » |
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Hello, I think most of you knows these photos. It describe a Yak-7B flown by Vorozheikin late 1943   But I have a terrible doubt, I wonder if this is not a Yak-9 because of the small vent under the exhausts on the left side of the nose and the shape of the propeller spinner. Can anyone confirm if it's a Yak-9 or a Yak-7b? Another question regarding camo-scheme : AMT4-6 & 7 or AMT11-12 & 7 ? TIA, cheers Steph. |
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2016, 10:09:05 PM » |
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Hi Steph,
my impression is that it's a Yak-9 because of the frame around the exhaust pipes and for the protruding of the lower limb of the air intake of the oil cooler.
The front image fits better with a grey-grey plane, coherently with the style of stars and the date of the photo. The one from the rear is more strange, but maybe it was retouched. In fact, you can see the shadow of the man on the number, but not under it.
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Massimo
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steph40
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2016, 02:06:01 AM » |
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Thank you Massimo for your reply. Most of Yak-7B late series had the same exausts as the Yak-9, the same canopy and the same air intake of the oil cooler. Here a photo of the number 41 of the 1st block from factory N?82 Moscou with M-105PF engine.  and another without the exausts or air intake modifications...  from http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/yak7b.htmlThe main differences between Yak-7B late serie and Yak-9 are the wingtips and nose armament: 2 UBS for the Yak-7B and 1 for the Yak-9. Is it possible to know the type of aircraft in 728 IAP between Fall 1943 and Spring 1944 ? Regards Steph |
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2016, 07:04:21 AM » |
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Here a photo of the number 41 of the 1st block from factory N?82 Moscou with M-105PF engine.
actually that's 4115301,the first unit in series 41 from Zavod 153 in Novosibirsk it was a common practice from Zavod 153 to replace 153 with "-" when putting the large white serial numbers on the tail. |
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2016, 04:30:51 PM » |
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my impression is that it's a Yak-9 because of the frame around the exhaust pipes and for the protruding of the lower limb of the air intake of the oil cooler.
Hello Massimo, There were already Yak-7B razorbacks with this kind of exhaust and a new style windscreen. Well-known example is # 37 in the ice of Ladoga February 1943. These might be different Zavod features? Cheers, AaCee |
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« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2016, 06:24:46 AM » |
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Hi,
If the only discriminant between Yak-7b and 9 is the shape of the wing, my guess is for an angulated wingtip, but I can't be sure.
I've asked Alex Ruchkowsky, I will keep you informed if he gives new informations.
Regards
Massimo
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2016, 01:18:00 PM » |
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Hi,
Alex has answered that this plane is commonly perceived as a Yak-7b due to Stankov's book, that attributes this information to veterans.
I don't know if the statement about Yak-7b is right, but at least it seems that the contrary can't be proven.
Regards
Massimo
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steph40
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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2016, 01:33:27 PM » |
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Hello,
After some research, if the date of the photo are good: late 1943, it's probably a late serie Yak-7B. There were delivered from September/October 1943. Yaks-9 were deliivered at 728 IAP early in 1944.
The date which tells Mars 1944 on the photo of "white 22" is the only one I found. All other sources tell that "white 22" is dated between October and November 1943. Apparently the Yak-9 flown by Vorozheikin during february or March 1944 was white 44...
Thank you all for your help and opinion
Regards
Steph
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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2016, 03:27:28 PM » |
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Hi Steph,
looks convincing. What sources did you find?
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Massimo
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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2016, 05:18:20 PM » |
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Hello Massimo, Infos here: http://www.leonid-bykov.ru/fight/15.htm => В начале 1944 года полк был оснащён новыми истребителями Як-9 http://airaces.narod.ru/mongol/vorojeyk.htm => Истребитель Як-7Б капитана А. В. Ворожейкина. 728-й ИАП, осень 1943 года. => К концу 1943 года полк был оснащён новыми истребителями Як-9 http://warspot.ru/1544-sovetskie-asy-v-zerkale-statistiki-istrebiteli-laptezhnikov = > Ворожейкин ? в составе 728-го ИАП на Як-7Б http://www.airwar.ru/history/av2ww/soviet/yak7/yak7.html => 4 августа 1943 года. Шесть Як-7Б из 728-го ИАП, под командованием капитана Ворожейкина http://www.airwar.ru/history/aces/ace2ww/pilots/vorojeyk.html => В начале ноября, преследуя ФВ-190, заставил его пилота ошибиться на пикировании, и тот врезался в землю. Сам с трудом перевел свой Як-7Б в горизонтальный полет. От перегрузки самолет деформировался и был списан. В начале 1944 г. полк перевооружили на Як-9, и Ворожейкин первым обновил этот истребитель, сбив.ФВ-190 http://airfield.narod.ru/yak/yak-7/yak-7_color3.html => 3rd profile http://topwar.ru/32776-general-neba.html => 3 ноября в ходе воздушного боя немецкий ас, пытаясь стряхнуть Ворожейкина с хвоста, бросил свой самолет в отвесное пикирование. Но советский летчик продолжил преследование, до самой земли преследуя врага и начав выход из пикирования лишь в самый последний момент. ?Як? пронесся над самыми вершинами деревьев, а огромная перегрузка фактически раздавила пилота. Более тяжелый FW-190 врезался в землю, но и Як-7Б был так деформирован, что сразу отправился на слом. В начале 1944-го года авиаполк Арсения Васильевича пересадили на Як-9... Regards Steph |
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2016, 07:31:21 PM » |
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...question regarding camo-scheme : AMT4-6 & 7 or AMT11-12 & 7 ?... Hi Steph, If it was Feb/Mar 1944 then it was most probably AMT11-12 &7. New NKAP 1943 schemes were valid since summer 1943. Regards, 66misos |
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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2016, 11:31:31 AM » |
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...question regarding camo-scheme : AMT4-6 & 7 or AMT11-12 & 7 ?... Hi Steph, If it was Feb/Mar 1944 then it was most probably AMT11-12 &7. New NKAP 1943 schemes were valid since summer 1943. Regards, 66misos Hi Misos, Yes, I read on the web, I didn't remember where exactly, that this Yak-7B was probably delivered at 728IAP with AMT-4/6/7 camo-scheme during september or October 1943 and then repainted in NKAP scheme with red nose for the battle of Kiev. Regards Steph |
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2016, 03:06:57 PM » |
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Hi Steph, Yes, I read on the web, I didn't remember where exactly, that this Yak-7B was probably delivered at 728IAP with AMT-4/6/7 camo-scheme during september or October 1943 and then repainted in NKAP scheme with red nose for the battle of Kiev. It could be, but the grey/grey scheme was introduced for Yak fighters even before the white bordered stars, I think in mid July. So, if they delivered it in September or October, probably it was an already utilized plane. Regards Massimo |
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