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Author Topic: "White banded" 33 late 1941 Il-2  (Read 8982 times)
Petranera
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« Reply #30 on: November 11, 2015, 07:11:00 AM »

Hi Massimo, sadly the red stenciling on the nose is totally invented, and yes this is supposed to be the pilot custom aiming for bombing. That will be only on the fictional camouflage with winter paint, the original white banded 33 will stay accurates to photographies and to your profile.

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« Reply #31 on: November 11, 2015, 08:30:04 AM »

Hi Pierre, an interesting idea anyway.
Is it possible to add the junctions on the rear glass in some ways? It should be made with three panels riveted together.
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« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2015, 01:24:41 AM »

I was actually wondering about this glass junction, do you have some clear pictures that show this junction ?
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« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2015, 06:44:57 AM »

Hi,
this is the best I have.

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« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2015, 07:33:12 AM »

That's already very good, thanks you very much. I don't know if I can modify the glass part but I will try. And concerning the junction glass/rear aluminium panel, does the glass goes under the panel as it is on the picture ? Or maybe there is some riveting ?

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« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2015, 08:56:04 AM »

Yes, you can see them on your photo. There should be a frame between the glass and the removable panel.
by the way, the section of the 3D model is too rounded, it should be flat on its central part.
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« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2015, 06:57:27 AM »

If you are in contact with who made the 3D model, you can also  suggest that the tank top should be flat. Besides early il-2s had a wide armoured glass behind the pilot instead of the metal armour with two small windows.
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« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2015, 10:20:08 AM »

Ok thank you very much for those informations.

Sadly this is to much work to redo this model. This is clearly a quite big mistake frome the modellers.
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« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2015, 06:35:10 AM »

Are you in contact with them?
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« Reply #39 on: November 19, 2015, 09:28:43 AM »

I never talked with one of the 3D modellers, but with some developpers who don't really take part in this aspect of the game devlopment. Anyway, considering the hard managing of a game like that with more than 300 planes, I guess that redoing something like the top of the tank and the glass of the il-2 1941 will never be done, to much work for only few people that will notice that. Anyway, for the record, I'll post a remark about this mistake in the technical forum.

And concerning the antenna ? Present in the 3D model, I never saw it on the pictures... On the dev presentation they named the model the "IL-2 AM-38 1941,  the IL-2 from the first half of 1941", but I guess it looks more than a late summer 1941 il-2 with his "thin sheet cover over the gap between spinner and cowling, absent on earlier planes and introduced in late summer 1941". They also had this nice scheme you described on the website :

http://static.warthunder.com/upload/image/de/Dev-Blogs/12.02.2015/shot%202015_02_06%2016_56_20.jpg

But with a metal rear fuselage, and in the photos we clearly can see that this plane had a wooden fuselage.

Here the 3d UV map of the model, with the sheet cover over the spinner, round tank and antenna ;

http://warthunder.ru/upload/image/Dev%20Blog/il_2_1941_08.jpg
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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2015, 11:09:10 PM »

Hello,

Massimo, I found some information about the "white banded 33" unit on russians forums. Sadly the post is old and the linked pictures (15) are not online anymore... They speak about this unit as one of the 7 ShAP "САД" :

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Ну наконец то изыскания в архиве дошли до логического завершения!!!
№ 4312 и 2213 - самолеты 243 ШАП 7 САД!
2213, мотор №0210, сбит ЗА 8.09.41г. пилот ком звена мл.л-т Кирюхин Илья Гаврилович -пропал б/в.
4312, мотор №1409, сбит ЗА 12.09.41г.

(http://imf.forum24.ru/?1-4-100-00000020-000-40-0)

I found only one picture not on your wite banded 33 's page :



And I made two images from my actual skins, I will soon do more with the historical one, without the winter camouflage :

http://i.imgur.com/dRX0hMf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4uFjxzV.jpg
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« Reply #41 on: December 06, 2015, 07:18:35 AM »

Hi Pierre,
interesting. I don't remember if I had this image, but it's a goo detail of the rockets and rails.
There is an interesting Pe-2 with white band too, of 7 SAD
http://radikal.ru/F/s50.radikal.ru/i128/1008/45/75fc98d99b03.jpg.html
Your images of flying Il-2 are very convincing. I like the focus on the close pars, and the blurrying of the horizon too.  Pity that the pilot is always on deep shadow. With minimal photoshopping, these images could seem real and used to illustrate a book or a site.
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« Reply #42 on: December 06, 2015, 09:43:18 PM »

Very interesting pe-2 picture who confirm that the white banded 33 were from the 7 SAD. Do you know a source that details the operations of russians air regiment on the early month of war ?

Concerning the pictures I'll try to make some more. The pilot model ingame is very hugly, I have to redraw one or find a good picture to use for it.
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