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Author Topic: Little addition to Il4 color collection  (Read 4231 times)
Psy06
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« on: June 19, 2016, 12:34:38 PM »

Hi Massimo.

Today suddenly discovered that the serial IL-4 with a metal swept wing, here at this photo, painted gray-gray camouflage by 1944 standart scheme.

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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2016, 12:46:10 PM »

Hi Psy,
this is a very interesting discovery,
Is the undersurface black or blue, in your opinion?
It would be good to make some statistics on how many photos show metallic arrow wings after 1943, how many straight wings and how many are unclear. According to the texts, the number of arrow planes should be substantial.
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Massimo
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2016, 06:41:42 PM »

Hi Psy,
this is a very interesting discovery,
Is the undersurface black or blue, in your opinion?
It would be good to make some statistics on how many photos show metallic arrow wings after 1943, how many straight wings and how many are unclear. According to the texts, the number of arrow planes should be substantial.
Regards
Massimo


Black bottom. Generally, this is the only history photo of the late IL-4 with an arrow wing, which I am 100% sure. Fortunatly, Il-4 at Poklonnaya gora (mountain) museum at Moskow, is such type.
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2016, 10:10:49 PM »

Interesting. Could you provide a link to photos of it?
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2016, 01:52:07 PM »

Hi Psy,
http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/mos2004_day04.html
here, the Il-4 is called 'a replica'. Do you know for sure if it's a real plane?
In the meanwhile, I've shown the photo on the Il-4 page. Thank you very much.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2016, 08:46:29 PM »

Hi Psy,
http://www.flankers-site.co.uk/mos2004_day04.html
here, the Il-4 is called 'a replica'. Do you know for sure if it's a real plane?

Oh, my!

It is a real plane Massimo, it's only bad restored.

SN17404 plane was built in the first half of 1945, the plant №126 in Komsomolsk-on-Amur.

By performing a combat mission, the crew consisting of pilot Moiseyev, navigator Yaqin, air gunners Babin and Fofanov, the Maritime Group of Forces on the night of August 9, 1945 came under fire anti-aircraft artillery of the Japanese Kwantung Army near the Harbin city.
Plane was hit to one of the engines and made an emergency landing in the forest.
The aircraft was found in 1977, evacuated and restored only in 1991.
Junior lieutenant Anatoly Moiseyev for an emergency landing on the burning plane was awarded the Order of Patriotic War I level.

It have original airframe, engines, rear turret and landing gear. External part of cockpit is fake, engine cowlings from An-2 (LOL).

Beautiful, absolutely intact wingtips these bastards just cut because wings do not fit to train!


Before Moskow, Arseniev, Progress aircraft factory, 1991, here: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%81_(%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%B7%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B4,_%D0%90%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%8C%D0%B5%D0%B2)



Now:
https://yandex.ru/images/search?text=%D0%B8%D0%BB-4%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%20%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B0&stype=image&lr=193&noreask=1&source=wiz

That very oblique rib:

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2016, 12:37:20 PM »

Hi Psy,
thank you for the informations. Has someone obtained a drawing of the wings from this plane? Probably it's possible to modify existing drawings by photoshopping, once confirmed that the metal wings had an arrow shape.
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2016, 08:20:22 PM »

New plane, shots from military education film, possibly after war.

Metal arrow wing and no camo gray top! Bottom is black.


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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2016, 09:01:53 PM »

Hi Psy,
thank you for these images. It's interesting to see clearly the arrow wings.
The second image shows some camouflage, visible on the tail and on the nose. I think that it was a 3 shades camo as usual.
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« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2016, 09:57:21 PM »

Hi Psy,
thank you for these images. It's interesting to see clearly the arrow wings.
The second image shows some camouflage, visible on the tail and on the nose. I think that it was a 3 shades camo as usual.
Regards
Massimo
All shots the same plane, "spots" which you see, is shadows and reflections, you see at close shot, no any camo spots.

Here too:

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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2016, 03:15:21 PM »

Confirmed metal arrow wings' planes:



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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2016, 09:34:22 PM »

Hi Psy,
this is interesting.
I've seen that you made some more interesting posts in scalemodels.ru forum.
Is there any good drawing of this type of wing in bibliography?
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Massimo
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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2016, 03:21:45 PM »

Hi Psy,
this is interesting.
I've seen that you made some more interesting posts in scalemodels.ru forum.
Is there any good drawing of this type of wing in bibliography?
Regards
Massimo

It seems, I'm the first one who is seriously advanced on this issue, over the past 20 years Smiley The only arrow wing drawing (wood), made by I.Rodionov, but he's made serious mistake, and its drawing is wrond. And it was blind copied by overs, ha ha. A year ago, no one even knew that the metal swept wing, all the world there Smiley So I discoverer, like Columbus Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2016, 03:48:53 PM »

You could make a corrected version of the drawings of Rodionov, with some cut and paste.
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Massimo
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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2016, 10:02:18 PM »

You could make a corrected version of the drawings of Rodionov, with some cut and paste.
Regards
Massimo

Why, Rodionov's drawings outdated by 30 years, I will do completely new, on my data.
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