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Author Topic: Su-2 Pilot seat and armour plate?  (Read 2789 times)
VelvetFrog66
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« on: May 05, 2015, 03:57:45 PM »

Hi,

I was about to install the seat in the 48 scale ICM kit when I saw a youtube video about the SU-2. A brief glimpse of a pilot strapping in seemed to show a much higher seat back than the part in the kit and also what may have been a sheet of armour plate. The kit seat doesn't appear to have any armour which seems odd for a ground attack aeroplane. Are there any photos or drawings available that show what the seat looks like?
Sadly my Googling hasn't given much satisfaction... though it passes the time.

Cheers,
Robert
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2015, 08:03:17 AM »

Hi Robert,
a Su-2 of ICM in 1/48? Couldn't it be a Zvezda?

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Massimo
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VelvetFrog66
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2015, 10:54:05 AM »

You are correct Massimo, it is the Zvezda kit. Along with the Su-2 I've been busy fighting with the ICM Lagg-3 so I must have had them on my mind.

As far as the Su-2 seat goes I came across some drawings and Zvezda may not be too far off the track. I think the high back seat I saw in the youtube film may just be the seat adjusted to its maximum height for visibility at take-off.

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Robert
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2015, 05:32:49 PM »

The Su-2 was really more of a light-bomber/reconnaissance aircraft (the Il-2 was of course the dedicated ground attack aeroplane). Although in the terrible first part of the war, the Su-2 would have been used for ground attack (LaGG-3's were even used heavily for ground attack, along with I-15bis and I-153 biplanes), they wouldn't necessarily have had much armour added, including an armoured seat. I wouldn't be surprised to see an Su-2 without an armoured seat.

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Jason
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VelvetFrog66
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2015, 07:57:10 PM »

Hi Jason.

You know, when I think about it you are probably right about it being a light bomber. (It even says that on the box now that I look) I may have been influenced to think it was a ground attack machine because I first encountered the Su-2 in the IL-2 computer game which was all about ground attack.

Even as a light bomber I still think armour for the pilot is a pretty good idea in any aircraft that might see combat. I don't deny that drawings seem to show that it didn't have any seat armour but it seems crazy that it wouldn't be specified. Perhaps they thought the rear gunner would see off any attacks. Not a lot of help against AAA though.

Cheers,
Robert

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Sekunde
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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2015, 10:12:50 PM »

Hi Robert,

I think you are right. I had the same problem with the 1:72 Su-2.

As the most Soviet modern planes from this time have a armoured seat. The Su-2 was a very modern plane. 

I made a new armoured plate for my model. In this pic you can see, what I have made. I hope this will help you a little bit.

http://shop.strato.de/epages/61299018.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61299018/Products/SA7218


Sekunde
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VelvetFrog66
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« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2015, 08:58:39 PM »

Thanks Sekunde,

that looks just like the armoured seat I saw in the youtube video on the Su-2. Excellent job.

I have done some digging and found a bit more about this subject. Most of the drawings of the Su-2 interiors seem to show that (strange as it seems) the earlier versions of the Su-2 really didn't have the armour. However there is a drawing showing the armour plate positions on the M-82 powered version of the Su-2/Su-4. From this I can only assume that the armour was introduced later. Probably too late for may of the aircrew. Armour may have been retro fitted to many aircraft but without evidence and as my model is of a very early aircraft I think I will go without the armour plate this time. I will be doing a later M-88 engined version next and will have to look closely at lots of photos to see if the armour was present on these aircraft.

Cheers,
Robert
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