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« Reply #60 on: May 16, 2017, 09:54:11 AM » |
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Hi Massimo, regarding plane no. "70" IMHO: - color under the victory starlets is standard/original AMT-11, but color under (at least) the digit 7 is different, lighter repainting, - according to Aviakollektia VVS Colours 1941 - 1945, page 25 at http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=906.msg5004#msg5004 the "...star began to paint with two border: white - a width of 5 cm and red - 1 cm..." White and red outline of the star on this photo basicaly agree with that rule, or may be both outlines are a bit thicker, painted by brush:  Then dark outline of the number "70" looks significantly thinner, something between 0.5 and 1 centimeter and is pretty regular and straight. To my eyes it looks more like thin stripe of the dark tape. And even thinner white outline (left intentionally or unintentionally, does not matter) is just exceeding board number. I would exclude red color - IMHO it is either black or dark blue. Regards, 66misos |
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« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2017, 01:12:40 PM » |
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Hi Misos,
i think that the colors around the number 7 are the original AMT-11 and 12, faded, while the dark thing over the bravce of the star is a later repainting, made before painting the starlets. The fact that some light space remains between the star and the dark blotch reveals it as a retouch. Nothing similar around the numbers, in my idea.
Of course, this means that the original (or repainted much time before) band of AMT-12 was moved back than its usual position on other La-7s. This looks compatible with the photo from far.
The outlines of the numbers haven't relation with those of the star. I suppose that the inner outline is black because it can't appear darker and sharper, while the thing around is of another color, and the shade is compatible with how the starlets appear on this photo. Of course, should other photos be found where the outline appears different from the starlets, the thing would suggerst a different color.
Plane 10 is certainly related to 70; on the photos of 10, the red star appears very dark, as black, and the outline around the numbers is very thick and dark.
in my idea, this points on another red and black outline, that could be a characteristic of La-7s of 4 giap kbf.
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Massimo
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« Reply #64 on: January 05, 2019, 07:21:21 PM » |
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Hi Misos, thank you for the warning. About the number of stars, though, the spacing suggests that each row is of 6 stars.  About the name of the pilot, I suppose that the site is right, I'll modify it and add a link to the page. Best regards Massimo |
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« Reply #65 on: January 06, 2019, 02:38:24 PM » |
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Hi Massimo, I played with the picture a bit:  It shows 6 columns of the red stars (6x4 individual victories) plus 5 columns of the white stars (5x2 group victories). Regards, 66misos |
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« Reply #66 on: January 06, 2019, 06:47:22 PM » |
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Hi Misos,
I see, you're right.
I've modified the profile, but I still see it with 6 starlets on the site. I suppose that it is a matter of cache.
Thank you for your warning.
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Massimo
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« Reply #67 on: January 06, 2019, 09:51:54 PM » |
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Hi, I've forced the update by modifying the name of the file. Probably the link on your post is broken.  Regards Massimo |
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« Reply #68 on: January 07, 2019, 08:10:23 AM » |
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Hi Massimo,
IMHO it is much better now. Anyhow, could you chceck the position of the bottom middle white starlet against the top of the digit "4"?
Maybe to move white starlets a bit to the right, or move left digit 4 a bit to the left and the right digit 4 a bit more to the left - it would also decrease the space between the left and right digits 4 and the right digit 4 would be off the circular hatch on its right side - same like on the photo.
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« Reply #69 on: December 02, 2019, 12:03:12 AM » |
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« Reply #70 on: December 02, 2019, 02:48:58 PM » |
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 Yes, very interesting. I can suppose that the upper/mid part of the rudder was painted... silver? There is a band on the low part that could seem painted in a dark color, maybe red. Apart for the rudder, have you noted the small spiral on the spinner? Another note: it seems a 3-guns La-7. Regards Massimo |
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« Reply #71 on: December 03, 2019, 07:06:42 AM » |
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Wasn't sure if the spiral was by design or an accident it was done so badly it left me with doubts.
The rest all makes sense.
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« Reply #72 on: December 07, 2019, 05:21:59 PM » |
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most probably the sunblind lightshaded the rudder.
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« Reply #73 on: December 07, 2019, 10:45:01 PM » |
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Hi,
I don't think that the rudder is angulated, look at the shadow of the stabilizer, it should have a change in angulation between rudder and fuselage if the rudder was angulated.
It is likely that there is reflection, but on a glossy surface. I don't think that the rudder was camouflaged.
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Massimo
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« Reply #74 on: December 10, 2019, 12:35:59 AM » |
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Hi Misos, I think that you are right about the wire. In facts, n.10 has a nearly identical arrangement.  Looking through the La-7 pages, (for 3 gun types, from the discussion of '92' ) I noticed there look to be a thin dark outline on the edge of the rudder, not very clear, but look at at the rear light(?) on the trim tab against the pale background, perhaps only just around the trim tab? I could be something behind the plane, but it follows the shape of the rudder very neatly. Why is do you think '92' is a 3-gun La-7, I can't see a difference. |
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