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66misos
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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2017, 09:31:17 PM »

Hi KL,
thank you for comment. So I would correct my statement - serebrjanka at the photos of this particular plane looks matt. I do not know reason - wathering, icing, light conditions...?
I remember very well discussions about serebrjanka at P-39 thread http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=1714.msg14700#msg14700 and winter Il-2 thread http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/board/index.php?topic=1799.msg15562#msg15562
Anyhow, I showed that profile to several people with no knowledge about VVS colors - all of them said that plane is silver/aluminium.

EDIT: I played a bit with shadows and reflections etc. So IMHO is OK, or at least better now (although there is always area for improvement) Wink


Now I have to move on.
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« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2017, 11:33:20 AM »

Hi,

here is work in progress (vector picture) of DB-3F:



There is not many photos of DB-3F, I have found some at http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/db3-il4/db3-il4.htm, so it will be this one:


- little red star seems to be above the number 10 on the rudder,
- on theright side of the read fuselage (bottom photo) seems to circular repainting in the dark (black) field,
- interesting sharp-border very dark repainting basically at the same place but on the left side of the fuselage (upper photo).

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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2017, 05:33:13 PM »

Hi,

EDIT: see the final picture below.

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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2017, 08:35:04 PM »

Hi Misos,
in my idea, the blotches should be more rounded and blurried, a typical (bad) airbrush work.
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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2017, 09:12:44 PM »

Hi Massimo,
you are probably right. Moreover, I doubt about overpanted red star on the rudder. Is it clearly visible on the right side, plus on the left side is also visible something like star. Only rudder is turned a bit to the left so there is a shadow resulting in the very low contrast among red, green a black colors.
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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2017, 05:53:03 AM »

Hi Misos,
I wonder if the repainting is more complex and includes two shades, maybe a dark green and a black over the original green. The dark green could have been utilized to hide stars and to make large blotches, the black for smaller blotches inside them.
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2017, 06:16:51 AM »

Hi Massimo,
here is final profile of DB-3F. Blotches are corrected, star is visible - see my post abobe. I decided for "standard" approach, e.g. black over green:



Now, Il-4 will follow.
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2017, 12:40:57 PM »

Hi Misos,
good work.
About the Il-4, will you draw the controversial late version with arrow wings too?
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2017, 01:19:44 PM »

Hi Massimo,
thank you Smiley
Next one - Il-4 should be some relatively well documented tri-color camouflage according to (or at least close to) the NKAP 1943 scheme, probably "White 26" http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/db3-il4/tapani/26.htm or "White 72" http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/db3-il4/tapani/72.htm or something similiar.
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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2017, 10:24:59 PM »

Hi,
here it is - still vector Il-4:


It should be this plane:


Seems it nicely follows NKAP 1943 scheme no. 2 for Il-2:


Question is - what is tail number? 75 or 72?

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« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2017, 06:11:22 AM »

Hi Misos,
I don't think that this number is 75. Eventually, there could easily be another plane 75 in the unit.
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« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2017, 08:20:05 AM »

Hi Massimo,
thank you for reply, so it will be 72. I wonder whether front part of the prop. spinner is the same color as tail cap (blue?), or the whole spinner is standard green (see NKAP 1943) and dark rear part is only due to rotating propeller blades. Huh
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« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2017, 07:55:48 PM »

Hi, collegues, maybe this shots from my latest work will be useful. 3D models made with original factory data.



The shapes accurate far more than any published drawings you can find, so that they completely coincide with the photographs  Grin

Here ingame engine shots http://psy06.deviantart.com/
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« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2017, 10:08:07 PM »

Hi Psy,
great 3d models!
That camo pattern of the DB-3B is typical of Finnish planes.
Have you made the 3d model of the arrow wing version?
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« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2017, 10:10:57 PM »

Hi Misos,
Quote
Hi Massimo,
thank you for reply, so it will be 72. I wonder whether front part of the prop. spinner is the same color as tail cap (blue?), or the whole spinner is standard green (see NKAP 1943) and dark rear part is only due to rotating propeller blades. Huh
please note that the spinner is on shadow, so it has to be more light that what the photo shows.
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