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« Reply #30 on: April 06, 2017, 05:51:09 AM »

Hi Psy06,
as said great 3D models! I saw your work on deviantart page. Why have both planes grey underside? I would expect light blue.

Hi Massimo,
yes, spinner is in the shadow. But green on the direct sun (top fuselage) is also significantly lighter. Camo quite well follows NKAP 1943 scheme and according to it the left spinner (e.g. that on the photo) should be green.
Yes, could be repainted when undersides were painted black, who knows. Then lighter (blue?) front part as kind of unit marking could be OK.
So basically there are 3 options for spinner colors:
- all is green (darker rear part is only optical efect due to rotating blades),
- front part is blue and rear part is green (darker due to rotating blades),
- front part is blue and rear part is black.
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« Reply #31 on: April 06, 2017, 08:03:10 AM »

Hi Psy,
great 3d models!
That camo pattern of the DB-3B is typical of Finnish planes.
Have you made the 3d model of the arrow wing version?
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1. Well, camo builded by period walkaround, and plane has stars.



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« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2017, 08:31:33 AM »

Hi Psy06,
as said great 3D models! I saw your work on deviantart page. Why have both planes grey underside? I would expect light blue.

Hi 66misos, actually, on 3d models DB-3 the bottom surfaces are matt silver.



1.Blue surfaces, actually very rare thing, then it could only be on only a very, very small number of Komsomolsk-on-Amur machines (that in fact is very much in question). All of this is associated with the fact, that all versions of DB-3 have been replaced in the serial production of DB-3F before the introduction of green-blue painting sheme. DB-3 all were silvery, and according to the famous order of 1941 years, when applying new camouflage, the lower surfaces were not repainted. DB-3F of the first series were also silvery.

This is typical 39-40 period planes -


2. Blue surfaces could appear on machines that had undergone in factory major overhaul, according to the regulations it was supposed to completely repaint. Apparently this can be explained by DB-3 in the 1943 paint sheme, which I already showed here on the site. I do not have statistics on major overhauls, but there are pictures of 44 45 years where DB3's has never been repainted after 41,from which we can conclude (cautiously) that repainting the entire airframe was a rather rare case.
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« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2017, 11:38:01 AM »

Hi Psy,
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Well, camo builded by period walkaround, and plane has stars.
I see, but it is still a Finnish camouflage. One could research if the stars were really painted on the plane, or directly on photos.

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/db3-il4/tapanidb3/db-11story.htm
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/db3-il4/tapanidb3/db-13story.htm

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« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2017, 09:27:43 PM »

Hi Psy,
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Well, camo builded by period walkaround, and plane has stars.
I see, but it is still a Finnish camouflage. One could research if the stars were really painted on the plane, or directly on photos.

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/db3-il4/tapanidb3/db-11story.htm
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/db3-il4/tapanidb3/db-13story.htm

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Massimo

Maybe you right, walkaround seems from Rehlin album.
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« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2017, 09:49:55 PM »

Hi Psy,
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Well, camo builded by period walkaround, and plane has stars.
I see, but it is still a Finnish camouflage. One could research if the stars were really painted on the plane, or directly on photos.

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/db3-il4/tapanidb3/db-11story.htm
http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/db3-il4/tapanidb3/db-13story.htm

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Massimo

Maybe you right, walkaround seems from Rehlin album.
Hi,

There is a German recognition manual were these pictures were used. Red stars look like retouched to the pictures. At least those pictures were taken before bottom and nacelles of the plane were painted yellow.

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« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2017, 06:45:00 AM »

Hi,
here is my finished Il-4:



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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2017, 04:51:54 PM »

Hi Misos,
great work as usual.
Just'I can't be sure that the third camo color was really black instead of dark grey.
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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2017, 08:31:51 PM »

Hi Massimo,
thank you Smiley.
The photo neither proves nor disproves black or dark grey:


NKAP 1943 prescribes black:


So I made it something between - could be either darker dark grey or bleached out/weathered black.
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« Reply #39 on: April 13, 2017, 04:43:30 PM »

Hi Misos,
this looks reasonable.
Just, I would darken the part of the nacelle under the wings.
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« Reply #40 on: April 13, 2017, 07:18:24 PM »

Hi Massimo,
thank for comment, I forgot it. It is already corrected in the picture above.
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« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2017, 09:26:49 PM »

Hi,
here are additional views on the Il-4 "White 72":







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« Reply #42 on: June 09, 2017, 10:23:47 PM »

Hi Misos,
good work. Will you draw four views for all your previous works?
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« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2017, 06:20:50 AM »

Hi,
at a second look, I think that the stiffeners on the fuselage sides  should be visible on the upper view.
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« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2017, 09:09:20 AM »

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