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Author Topic: Polikarpov I-16 Type 18 and 24 profiles  (Read 4226 times)
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« on: October 03, 2017, 09:34:17 AM »

Hi,
Need help, please. What are visual differences on the (left) side view between I-16 Type 18 and Type 24?
Thank you in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2017, 07:06:25 PM »

Hi Misos,
I think that the 18 had a tail skid while the 24 had a tail wheel. Besides the 24 should have an access hatch on the rear fuselage side.
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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2017, 06:55:26 PM »

Hi Massimo,
do you have, please, or could you point me at the reliable photo of I-16 Type 18? There is a lot of profiles on the web, but I cannot find any photo.
Thank you.
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2017, 12:23:37 PM »

HI,
here is work in progres on Polikarpov I-16 Type 18:



It should be this plane. I have found it via yandex.ru at some Russian page with the description that it is Type 18:




Notes:
- star has the same light shade as number 13,
- number 13 seems to have white outline,
- on the upper photo visible piece of the prop spinner seems to have apparently lighter color than fuselage,
- prop blades are not black, e.g.the are pre-war NMF,
- stars visible on the upper wings, e.g. it is still pre-war livery.

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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2017, 02:45:25 PM »

Hi Misos,
it looks good.
I think that the back of the bades was black, but very worn and let see the metal on the outer part of the blades, that had the highest speed.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2017, 10:07:52 AM »

Hi Massimo,
thank you vor comment. Here is I-16 Type 18 finished:



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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2017, 01:02:08 PM »

Hi Misos,
I have the impression that the front edge of the fin is too curved, and that the windshield should be more angular  at the level of the intermediate frame and less shifted backwards.
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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2017, 05:12:25 PM »

Hi Massimo,
thank you for comment. It was not so easy to correct it now within all those layers but I tried my best. I hope it is better now.
I replaced original profile with the corrected one in my post above.
And now let's go on the Type 24 in black-green camo, 4-view.
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« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2017, 09:57:17 PM »

Hi Misos,
I'm sorry to have not seen it before.
A technique that I sometimes use is to make a copy of a part of the drawing with 'copy united elements', glue it over the wrong part and use deformation commands to improve it. Of course, the method has its limits.
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2017, 05:32:50 AM »

Hi Massimo,
no problem, any correction is welcame, rather latter than not at all. Smiley

Here is Type 24. I do not have a photo of it, but it reminds me my childhood when I got a book about war planes and this one was at the cover. I like it since then.


Massimo, I realised now that this thread should be rather in the section Great Patriotic War / Prewar types during the GPW. Could  you, please, remove this thread there?
Thank you.
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2017, 09:24:31 AM »

Hi Misos,
nice painting. Is this the drawing for the book?
I've moved the topic as requested.
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2017, 09:35:13 AM »

Hi Massimo,
thank you. All these profiles are for the book.
However, in the meantime I found this photo:

It seem this is original plane. On the Russian forums some sources identify it as plane from 122 iap, mid july 1941, other sources identify it as a plane belonged to Lev Shestakov from 69 iap, Odesa, summer 1941.
If it is really this plane and if one compares shade of the red star and the tail, the tail does not look red. It looks dark due to (dark) reflection of the surrounding country on the polished dark green AIIz surface similarly to the reflections on the sides and bottom of the fuselage.
I will make another, more reliable camouflage.
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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2017, 01:45:49 PM »

Hi Misos,
I agree, it doesn't seem red. Too dark.The difference in the shade of green between metallic and wooden parts is very tricky. The nose doesn't seem black too.
Pity, but I suspected this, thinking to a I-16 with blue tail from EP.
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« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2017, 05:58:57 AM »

Hi,
here is another I-16 Type 24:
EDIT: corrected profile in my post below.

made according to this photo:


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« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2017, 11:11:00 AM »

Hi Misos,
good work, but I suggest to reconsider the position of the red stars, the one on the fin should have the hinge line where the right brace starts, while the one on the fuselage should be a bit lower.
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