Searching for VVS Photos

[John Thompson]

Here's quite a good photo of an I-153:
http://cgi.ebay.de/X25-Foto-russisches-Flugzeug-Jaeger-Rata-mit-Kennung_W0QQitemZ370209263439QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item5632310f4f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1229%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A6%7C294%3A50

John

[marluc]

Beautiful photo,thanks a lot John.AEh-9 all over,white rudder and black bordered red number?
Greetings:

Martin

[John Thompson]

Beautiful photo,thanks a lot John.AEh-9 all over,white rudder and black bordered red number?
Greetings:

Martin

My guess is that the rudder is the same colour as the rest of the aircraft, but looks to be lighter because it is deflected at a slight angle, so the light is reflecting from it differently. Could the overall finish be aluminum, perhaps?

The main colour of the numeral on the rudder looks lighter than the red in the star on the fuselage, but maybe this is for the same reason (light reflecting at a different angle).

John

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi Christian, hi all,
the image of SB is really beautiful.
However I think that the base livery is green/light blue, and the light camo bands were added later.
I have never seen a light grey/light blue plane in 1941.

About the TB-3: in my idea, all the uppersurface is dark green, or perhaps some dark green/faded black camo, apart for the colored bands on the tail (white/red?).
The light parts on the wing zone could be due to the feet of ground crew.
Massimo

[Massimo Tessitori]

Here's quite a good photo of an I-153:
http://cgi.ebay.de/X25-Foto-russisches-Flugzeug-Jaeger-Rata-mit-Kennung_W0QQitemZ370209263439QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item5632310f4f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1229%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A6%7C294%3A50

John

Hi John, hi all,
that is an excellent image. Thank you again.
I think that the plane could be partially light grey (on metal parts) partly aluminium (on the fabric cover). Please note the difference in shade of the panel at the root of the stabilizer, that is metallic.

Massimo

[John Thompson]

Interesting detail photo of a wrecked MiG-3, with the instrument panel visible:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Orig-Foto-Flugzeug-Sowjet-Russland-Detail-Technik-WK2_W0QQitemZ220442102095QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item33535f894f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A4%7C294%3A50

First photo in this group of four is a nice clear shot of two wrecked I-16's, although no details visible:
http://cgi.ebay.de/009-4x-Orig-Foto-Flugzeug-Russland-2-WK_W0QQitemZ400058096957QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item5d25521d3d&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A4%7C294%3A50

I-16:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-abgeschossenes-Flugzeug-Russland_W0QQitemZ200352968074QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item2ea5f7ad8a&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A5%7C294%3A50

John

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi John,
the image of MiG-3 is particularly interesting, it shows a lot of details including the supports that connect the tube structure (vertical) to the side dismountable panels (curved). It would be great if someone uses it to build a open MiG-3 on the base of the ICM model.
Massimo

[John Thompson]

I-153:
http://cgi.ebay.de/FOTO-FLUGZEUG-RUSSISCHER-DOPPELDECKER-mit-Nr-14_W0QQitemZ370223881396QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item5633101cb4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A6%7C294%3A50

MiG-3; no markings visible, though:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Org-Foto-erbeut-russ-Flugzeug-Aircraft-YAK-WWII_W0QQitemZ200357847780QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item2ea64222e4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A6%7C294%3A50

John

[marluc]

Thanks John for sharing these links with us.I like particularly the I-153 photo,AEh-9 grey with black number perhaps? There?s an UTI-4 behind this Chaika.
Best regards:

Martin

[John Thompson]

Captured Pe-2:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Flugzeug-Beute-Pe-2-Balkenkreuz-LwH-Rahmel-Test_W0QQitemZ170354001273QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item27a9e3c579&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A6%7C294%3A50

Tail of same aircraft:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Flugzeug-russisch-Beute-Pe-2-BK-LwH-Rahmel-Test_W0QQitemZ170354013131QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item27a9e3f3cb&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A6%7C294%3A50

John

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi,
I think that it's aluminium on fabric surfaces and light grey on metallic surfaces.
Massimo

[John Thompson]

This looks like a Il-4 to me; just scroll down to see both photos, including the rudder. It's a very complex camouflage pattern - it must have taken many hours (or many hands!) to apply:
http://cgi.ebay.de/2-Technik-Foto-LW-Flugzeug-russ-Bomber-Wrack-Orel-r847_W0QQitemZ140330803363QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item20ac5e20a3&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A4%7C294%3A50#ebayphotohosting

John

[marluc]

Hi,
I think that it's aluminium on fabric surfaces and light grey on metallic surfaces.
Massimo

Thanks Massimo.I think that the rudder is light grey or white.

It's a very complex camouflage pattern - it must have taken many hours (or many hands!) to apply:

Impresive paintwork,it would look great in a 1/72 model.Thanks for the link.
Greetings:

Martin

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi John,

This looks like a Il-4 to me; just scroll down to see both photos, including the rudder. It's a very complex camouflage pattern - it must have taken many hours (or many hands!) to apply:
http://cgi.ebay.de/2-Technik-Foto-LW-Flugzeug-russ-Bomber-Wrack-Orel-r847_W0QQitemZ140330803363QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item20ac5e20a3&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A4%7C294%3A50#ebayphotohosting

Great images! But about time required, I suspect that an uniform layer of green made by brush on a real plane would have required more time and more paint. On a model it's different, of course.

Hi Martin,

Thanks Massimo.I think that the rudder is light grey or white.

It could be, but for silver paint it's sufficient a slightly different inclination to reflect light in different way.

Massimo

[John Thompson]

I-16 photos:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Russisches-Flugzeug-Rata_W0QQitemZ390066351480QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item5ad1c42d78&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A4%7C294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.de/orig-Foto-Kameraden-vor-russ-Beute-Flugzeug-I-16-RATA_W0QQitemZ170355354500QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item27a9f86b84&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A4%7C294%3A50

SB photos:
http://cgi.ebay.de/Org-Foto-russ-Flugzeug-Aircraft-Iljuschin-DB-3WWII_W0QQitemZ200360472563QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item2ea66a2ff3&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A6%7C294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Legion-Condor-Spanien-Flugzeug-Beute-Bomber-SB-2_W0QQitemZ170355324870QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMilitaria?hash=item27a9f7f7c6&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A1229%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

John