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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2019, 09:33:42 AM »

Some updates about La-5s

http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/la5/15of193iap/15of193iap.html




This one was obtained by increasing the contrast of a photo that seemed to show a plane without numbers:


http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/la5/chkalov/61/61.html



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« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2019, 10:49:51 AM »

Cool. I very interested in 193 iap, where the photos come from?

BTW, 1942 may be a typo?
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« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2019, 11:19:57 AM »

Hi Vlad,
both photos are shown at pag.14-15 of the Czech monograph La-5 of Milos vestsik, MBI. There is a Russian edition too.
The caption at pag 15 says that the photo is of July 1943, Skorodnoye airfield. Yes, 42 was a typo, I've corrected it, thank you.
The other photo is at pag 14; it doesn't say the unit, but the plane and its markings are identical to n.15.
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« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2019, 07:17:51 AM »

Hi all,
new photos of the plane with the pierced heart have emerged:
https://zaika70.livejournal.com/tag/%D0%9B%D0%B0-5


the profile will require some correction, particularly on the supposed band on the lower surface, that now looks more as a patch on the side surface.
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« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2019, 11:54:52 AM »

Hi,
I've updated the page and the drawing.

I've changed a bit the proportions of the heart, modified the small rectangle into a retouch, and made red areas on the tail. Of course I can't be sure that they are red, but they have to be glossy if they change their look in each photo.
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« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2019, 07:55:10 PM »

That's a beautiful La-5, Massimo, very distinctive! Regarding the outline for the tail, being a Soviet aircraft, red's as good a guess as any. On a Russian FaceBook page I saw a profile of an Il-2 that was supposedly at Stalingrad; it was shown with a yellow spinner. I reminded them that was unlikely, as having a yellow spinner, at least in that part of the war, was asking to be shot at by the Soviets. I believe it was Aleksandr Pokryshkin who wrote that when he saw yellow, he fired.

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« Reply #51 on: July 21, 2019, 12:06:57 AM »

Hi Massimo

great that more images have turned up,  (I PM Massimo about this a while back)

I'm still inclined to think the '14' is red, i can't see any tonal difference,  and suspect that blue would not stand out enough against the silver, while red would.

I am so happy though that more and more great and unusual images are appearing on Russian sites,  always a treat to to come here and find more new images.

I'm very much with Jason about seeing profiles with yellow markings,  it really does not make sense.
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« Reply #52 on: July 21, 2019, 06:55:29 AM »

Hi Jason and Troy,
yes, it is nice but I still have doubts on it.
Apart for the color of the number, I wondered if the thing appearing on the top of the rudder and stabilizer could have been the shadow of the small tail mast, but the main mast doesn't project any noticeable shadow, so I rejected the idea.

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« Reply #53 on: December 09, 2021, 07:16:40 AM »

For those who are interested,  here are links to more images of the 'Baumantsy' airplanes
https://goskatalog.ru/portal/?fbclid=IwAR2ee7YlhaYrUvsofPjBcQp4Tk_Sm1_ASY0kGXZUL_CcZ0nn0JPXfOi8x_A#/collections?id=27245820
https://goskatalog.ru/portal/?fbclid=IwAR0g9kQ4KIApWlTZYg8IMCkeUQC9PnDwq0m5VT0QCaHv_IJ2sdHcwQVjhek#/collections?id=27245830
https://goskatalog.ru/portal/?fbclid=IwAR2bR3ZH0aB5UNtYpNmjKu4BJmGvV4vWn3-q25cPMU6I0ocXBk93xZiXhQA#/collections?id=27244936
https://goskatalog.ru/portal/?fbclid=IwAR3ohaObl20E3Dt31agW53EQRQabDhuL2PDIxN2tDAtyAMd_OQdhjlANj_E#/collections?id=27244960
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« Reply #54 on: December 09, 2021, 02:54:15 PM »

Hi Anton, thank you for the link.
There is also a nice detail confirming that Lavochkins of that age still had a light instrument panel.
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« Reply #55 on: December 11, 2021, 11:42:01 AM »

There is also a nice detail confirming that Lavochkins of that age still had a light instrument panel.

Good spotting Massimo! it looks light,  true:)
By the way,  I have done some research/profiles on the Baumancy planes.  I have tried to attach pictures in this post, but couldn't figure out how,  so here is a link to the page if you'd like to have a look:) All the info I found about these planes is there,  and I've put a link to your page there too, hope it's ok.

https://www.planesinprofile.com/lavochkin-la-5/baumantsy/patoka/white-23
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« Reply #56 on: December 11, 2021, 08:46:27 PM »

Hi Anton,
I've read your excellent page and left a comment. It is all very well made.
To attach figures, one has to load them in another site (your one for example), copy and glue the photo address, select it and push the second button of the lower row, the one with the picture.

About the colors of the cockpit, the available photos of Lagg-3 seem to show silver painted sides, and I suppose that this could be true for La-5s too, at least the early ones. I suppose that the light color of the instrument panel is AE-9 light grey. I don't know the color of the floor, and am uncertain on other details. Have you other informations or impressions on this?

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« Reply #57 on: December 12, 2021, 02:59:13 AM »

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I've read your excellent page and left a comment. It is all very well made
Thanks so much Massimo! You are too kind:) I really appreciate the compliment coming from someone like yourself.  It really means a lot. So thanks again:)
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I don't know the colour of the floor, and am uncertain on other details. Have you other informations or impressions on this?
Massimo, I haven't done much research on the interior.  The first thing I'd do is go to SovietWarPlanes.com to find out! lol
But  to try and answer the question,  I have seen a reconstruction of a La-5 built in Novosibirsk -  They have gone for the green floor/blue sides, which makes sense. On another note, I believe that Kozhedub's La-7's interior has grey floor and seat,  and the dashboard is black, Maybe some later La-5s were also painted the same? not 100% sure.  (by the way,
 thanks for the tip on how to attach images)
The image is from here: https://ngs.ru/text/gorod/2020/08/31/69449845/
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« Reply #58 on: December 12, 2021, 09:57:47 AM »

Hi Anton, thank you very much for the link, I didn't know of this work in progress. The rebuilt plane looks amazing.
Green floor and seat are a possibility for a plane of 1940-42, no doubt. Even light blue is a possibility, but I think to see the way to reflect the light of aluminum paint in the photos of the sidewalls of the LaGG-3. 
I think that the painting of insides was unified in late 1942 or 1943, so I would have painted the cockpit of the La-5FN as the plane of Kozhedub in medium grey.

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« Reply #59 on: December 12, 2021, 07:30:23 PM »

There is a description of La5F coloring, including internal surfaces.  Taken from the aircraft dehdocumentation.  why other fantasies?

The inner surfaces could be painted in several ways: two layers of AN Al dope varnish on gray nitro-soil DD-113, two layers of gray oil A-14 (or glyphthalic A-14f of the same color) or one layer of resin varnish No. 1. When repairing aircraft, the inner surfaces  could be covered with a layer of VIAM B-3 glue or two layers of A II Al., AMT-7 or A II aerosol varnishes of light blue color.
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