I-16 type 5 in 1/72 and 1/48 - Clear Prop! Models

[John Thompson]

Thank you for the images, Christian! Certainly the first one shows the wingtip very clearly, and as you say, it looks "normal". It's puzzling; maybe when the kit is finally released there will be more discussion of this detail, perhaps on scalemodels.ru. If it's wrong (which it seems to be, or else it was limited to just a few aircraft), it looks like it will be easy to correct. I wonder what the underside of the kit wing looks like in that area - it seems that the wingtips are molded full-thickness with the upper surfaces.

Discussion on scalemodels.ru:
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_86582.html

I usually don't have much trouble with Google Translate, but for some reason, this time it's almost impossible to understand. So far the discussion seems to be about I-16 skis, though, with only the last post (second post on page 3) showing that image of the kit's starboard wing.

John

[righidan]

Dear friends,
   I have been surprised by the right wing representation, with the rectangular structure, so I scrolled the directory where I put I-16 photos, because I had something in mind.
   I must say that all the photos I found where you can see clearly the right wing tip are exactly as those shown by ChristianK, except for this one, the image I had in mind:

   It is a famous photo from the collection of G. Petrov, which shows the I-16 white 16 flown by ace A.G. Lomakin, at the museum of the defense of Leningrad in 1945.
   I must say that it looks more like a patch than a fixed structure, but it could explain the origin of the rectangle in the model.
   In scalemodels.ru, up to now, this point has not been discussed.
   We will see the real model, and study how much it is accurate, and how easy it is to correct this detail of the wing.
Regards
Daniele


   

[John Thompson]

Thank you, Daniele! That's very interesting. I sent a message to Clear Prop! about this, but I have not yet received an answer. They probably think I'm crazy to ask about such a tiny thing! 

John

[Anton Petrov]

I am looking forward to getting the Clear Prop kit too, looks great:) and that rectangular shape/patch will be really easy to erase /fill in/correct ( as John said) even for an inexperienced modeller.

To add to the discussion, I think there is a hint of that rectangular shape/patch on the starboard wingtip  of this 'later' type  I-16.


But It doesn't look like the Type-5 had it.  I have the same wingtip close-up photo of the Type-5 from V.Chkalov museum  in Russia  but I can't for the life of me figure out how to upload it to this forum and I can't find the internet link where I found the image originally .
Basically the Type-5 I-16 in the Valeriy Chkalov museum doesn't have that shape/patch on the starboard side wingtip,  you'll just have to trust me on that one:)

This is the plane I am talking about

[John Thompson]

Thanks, Anton! I hope the kit is released soon. I wonder whether it will have the 11-rib wings for the early type 5 included with the later 22-rib wings, or if it will be sold as a separate packaging of the kit - probably a separate packaging. This will be a good year for VVS modelling in 1/72 scale - the CP I-16, and later, the Zvezda Yak-9D. Who knows - there may even be some surprises ahead, too!

John

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi all,
if they decide to include the 1936 type wing with 11 ribs, they should also include thinner wheels and unarmoured backrest (I don't know/remember if the backrest of the kit is armoured or not).
Regards
Massimo

[John Thompson]

Hi all,
if they decide to include the 1936 type wing with 11 ribs, they should also include thinner wheels and unarmoured backrest (I don't know/remember if the backrest of the kit is armoured or not).
Regards
Massimo

Looking at the image in this link, after enlarging it a lot,
https://scontent.fyto1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/270831998_608028633828449_5014007927176975164_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=pZ1ohet5ynsAX81NyAy&tn=y5WCMiHq8q3bEBij&_nc_ht=scontent.fyto1-2.fna&oh=03_AVKZoHe079xKMk1lCL4hXqG0xZii5WyT656cdbCfU45RRQ&oe=621103FD

...I see the seat armour as a separate part, and two types of seat, one with a full-height backrest and the other which is the seat pan only, so it appears CP have made some provision for building the kit with or without armour. The wheels appear to be molded in separate inner and outer faces, so thinner tires could just be a matter of sanding away a bit of plastic from the mating sides of the two faces.

John

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi John,
this is right, two alternative seats are provided. I hope that they will provide alternative wings too.
Regards
Massimo

[John Thompson]

Hi John,
this is right, two alternative seats are provided. I hope that they will provide alternative wings too.
Regards
Massimo

I expect they will provide alternative wings, but maybe not in the same box. Both of the box art images CP have posted show the early 11-rib wings, while the parts images show the 22-rib ones. So, I'm guessing that the first releases will be the early version, with 11 ribs, with the later version to follow, well, later... They did something like that with their La-5 kits - two different boxings in early and late versions.

(With the La-5 kits, the obvious differences between early and late include the canopy, a landing light in the left wing of the early version and not the late one, and early and late tailplanes. There may be others too subtle for me to notice easily, but it seems that CP did very thorough research when designing the La-5 kits to the extent of molding new wings just to include the landing light where some manufacturers would have made do with an instruction to cut out the landing light location yourself. If I remember correctly, I believe they even remade the fuselage or cockpit parts molds because of early complaints that it was very difficult to close up the fuselage due to poor parts fit. We should expect that the I-16 will be treated just as thoroughly, and two different wing moldings will be created.)

John

[Massimo Tessitori]

Hi John,
this would be very good.
A Type 4/TsKB-12 could be derived, but there are very few photos of operative ones.
Regards
Massimo

[John Thompson]

Posted today on Clear Prop!'s FB page, the transparent parts for the I-16 kit:




Looks good!

John

[Massimo Tessitori]

Very nice clear parts, they distinguish the old style I-16 with the new windshield as a refitting from those directly built with it.
Some spare windshields would be useful to improve older kits, if one still wants to build them.

Regards
Massimo

[John Thompson]

Some good news from Clear Prop - an image of the decals for this kit. Apparently the people at CP are not giving up; let's hope and pray that they remain safe, and that this invasion is soon ended:


I see two kit numbers but three titles on these sheets:
- CP72023 - "I-16 type 5 1938 - 1941", and "I-16 type 5 In the Sky of Spain"
- CP72024 - "I-16 type 5 Early Version"

Edit - According to Piotr Mikolajski, the following are the correct designations:
72023 - I-16 Type 5 In the Sky of Spain
72024 - I-16 Type 5 Early Version
72025 - I-16 Type 5 1938-1941

John

[Massimo Tessitori]

Let's hope for the best, really! The decals sheets look great.

[John Thompson]

Two boxings (72023 and 72024) now up on CP's catalogue page as "Soon":

https://clearpropmodels.com/catalog?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=main-button&fbclid=IwAR3siYtlNuVoB7QA0rckEWlHuZ_0Jl483B0QUo6qvDWosG0DauodZLqSK1Q


John