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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2007, 06:31:33 AM »

Hi Christian, Smiley
thank you for posting these beautiful images. I like Japanese planes very much and I have a lot of kits, forthemost still to build.
Those images could turn into an original model, in some very far future.
The ki-44 is particularly interesting. Are there clear ideas on how it was painted?
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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2007, 06:35:04 AM »

Hi Dave, about photos of LaGG-3: I don't know for sure. Probably the photos are of some Finnish goverment archive, probably they have the negative, but I don't know if their copyright has expired.
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2007, 03:23:46 PM »

Hi Dave, about photos of LaGG-3: I don't know for sure. Probably the photos are of some Finnish goverment archive, probably they have the negative, but I don't know if their copyright has expired.
Massimo

Thanks, well If it has been over 50 years since they were taken I think they are probably in the public domain (according to wikipedia)
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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2007, 09:07:19 PM »

Massimo,

as far as i know, there is no additional information about this picture. It was sold on ebay some time ago, Jim posted it, i rightclick-saved it. The sentai emblem is probably white, but the quality of the image is so bad, that any speculation regarding the colors (which go further than "dark" and "light") would be futile.
More so, even the base color could just be guessed, as there are so few pictures of Ki-44s painted in a single color that i'd guess they left the factory always in NMF and were camouflaged in the field with more or less care. Even the Ki-44s that do wear a solid color show quite heavy chipping (real chipping, not left out or repaired areas!), which indicates a field-applied camouflage without a base coat. The grey-green Aomidori-Iro (~FS 34036, but it faded to some kind of blue-gray very soon) was a color that seemed to have been in widespread use on japanese fighters in the chinese theater. But that's just one possibility, it could also be lilac.. Wink
However, it seems that the hinomarus on the Ki-44 in our picture were not painted over before the application of the chinese roundels, because if the new owners had done so, they most likely would have overpainted the chipped area next to the hinomaru, too. It is also noticable that the strange fashion of applying the new roundel so out of place was repeated on the wing uppersurfaces (You can see the shine of the glossy hinomaru red next to the chinese roundel; at least in my opinion). Maybe the Shoki wasn't flyable at all (one of the prop blades is bent) and the Chinese marked them just for propagandistic purposes, for fun, painter training, out of boredom or anything else.
Finally, there is some sort of canvas hanging over the rudder, it is not paint chipping.

P.S. I just figured out that the plane on the picture we're talking about isn't a Ki-44, it's a Ki-84! In this case we have a Ki-84 factory finished in Aomidori-Iro or Ohryoku 7 ("late war brown"). So much for expert talk! Grin

P.P.S. While looking for Ki-44s in a single colour i found a few more pictures for you, enjoy:





Note to myself: First look a the thing, then speculate about it!
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« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2007, 11:01:46 PM »

Hi Christian, Smiley
thank you for posting these beautiful images. It looks that the paint was removed by some sort of tool from the surface of this Ki-44.
Ki-84... I suspected this, but didn't dare to suggest... the fuselage is extremely similar, in perspective.
Did the planes captured by Chinese communists wore the same markings of the nationalists? Maybe they loved to see some red...
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2007, 11:25:22 PM »

Hi Massimo,

yes, after a while they indeed remembered that red was more appropriate for a "red" air force, but if they used old hinomarus to do so, hmm...??
(Look here: http://www.geocities.com/cwlam2000hk/part2.htm)

I also think you are right with your assumption of removed paint. Maybe they used sand paper or some sort thinner / acetone / nitro. Like a model kit after the first messed-up paint attempt...

And next time i mix-up airplanes - please interfere Wink
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2007, 11:13:22 PM »

Hi Christian, Smiley
nice page. I didn't suspect that Chinese communists utilized a so wide range of markings in 1945-49 (one for each plane?). After 1949, their markings are a bit monotonous.
Massimo
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2016, 03:56:23 AM »

the topic of schemes for VVS aircraft used in Manchuria just came up on Britmodeller,
http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234999272-looking-for-references-russia-verses-japan-at-end-of-ww2/

Which led me to finding this thread, but no photos or links to VVS units

So, thought this would be worth a bump,  in case anyone has links to Russian sites on this?


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