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« on: December 17, 2007, 02:32:45 PM » |
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Hi,  I've received an image from Oleg and I'm considering the possibility to colorize it.  Are there suggestions on the camo scheme? Green/light brown/dark grey? Massimo |
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FPSOlkor
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2007, 07:18:09 PM » |
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I see a two greens coloting here. Not sure about third...
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2007, 07:11:56 AM » |
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Hi Oleg, my impression is of three colors. Please, have a look to the wing, that is nearly flat. Close to the aileron there is a light band, then a medium one, then a dark one on the joint between inner and outer part of wing. It could be good to compare it with known camouflages, but I'm not too expert of this plane. Massimo |
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FPSOlkor
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2007, 06:25:47 PM » |
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Couldn't it be the sade from something?
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Dark Green Man
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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2007, 10:31:08 PM » |
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Thank You for posting this very nice image !
is there any information as to when and where this photo was taken?
that might help to determine the coloration and pattern.
what regiment was this aircrew and machine?
are the names of the pilot and gunner known?
as for the apparent differences on the wing , this phenomenon is very familiar to Massimo as it is seen on MiG's as well.
the inner wing portion is metal (aluminum) and the outer portion is made of wood.
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FPSOlkor
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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2007, 12:55:13 AM » |
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Of course I know...
872 ShAP 13th VA, Eastern Prussia, 1945. Airplane of HSU Fedyakov, who is just leaving cockpit after 150th combat mission. Did it help a bit?
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Dark Green Man
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2007, 11:31:01 PM » |
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Thank You !
it proves it was not operated on the South Front and therefore is not wearing a South Front Scheme.
it also proves it was not operated by a naval unit and therefore the camo colors should be reasonably normal.
(the navy was known for using uncommon coloration on some aircraft.)
according to research done by Erik Pilawskii the AII Green/Dark Green scheme was painted only on single-seat aircraft at the factory.
it is possible it was re-painted in the field.
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2007, 11:01:36 AM » |
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Hi as for the apparent differences on the wing , this phenomenon is very familiar to Massimo as it is seen on MiG's as well.
the inner wing portion is metal (aluminum) and the outer portion is made of wood. In this case, one can see a neat difference in shade between the wooden and metallic part along the division line. This is not the case of this image. In the booklet Colors of the falcons of Jiri Hornat there are two variants of 1943 templates for Il-2: the wing reflects well the second one, while the fuselage and wingroot reflects well the first one. It could be a mix made on factory or on the field or due to the replacement of a wing (the photo doesn't offer proof for this), in both cases the colors should be green, dark grey, light brown. Massimo |
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Dark Green Man
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2007, 12:47:00 AM » |
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for the most part you can ignore all 3 NKAP templates for the Il-2 as they appear in only 1.5 % of known photographic samples of the Il-2.
(the AMT-7/11/12 template was ignored completely by all three factories)
I don't see any evidence of replacement wings as they seem to be in the same worn condition as the rest of the airframe. if there were new wings you would see the difference between new paint and old paint.
Colours of the Falcons makes numerous errors , I would not follow it too closely.
the AMT-1/4/7/12 scheme looks a lot different in period films, this is not one of them
also I do not see three colors , only two.
for further reading I recommend the following :
http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Camouflage/NKAP_Template1.phphttp://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/NKAP/il2/il2-3colour.htm |
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2007, 04:11:46 PM » |
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Hi,
reading those pages, one can deduct that there are at least 4 identified schemes for green/dark grey/greyish brown, and probably many hybrid ones (as on MiG-3, where one can find two-three schemes for fuselage, 2-3 for wings, 2-3 for tail, combined in many ways). It was a style more than a template.
I continue to see 3 shades at least on the wing, so I suppose that this is the case.
Should it be a two shade camo, what scheme do you suggest to match the photo?
Massimo
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FPSOlkor
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2007, 11:02:18 PM » |
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FPSOlkor
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2007, 01:47:07 AM » |
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Massimo Tessitori
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2007, 10:09:54 AM » |
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Hi Oleg, thank you for the beautiful photos and links. However, we have to take into account that these planes were by sure repainted after the war. Massimo |
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FPSOlkor
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2007, 08:28:51 PM » |
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FPSOlkor
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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2007, 09:43:26 PM » |
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