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Title: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on November 04, 2013, 09:58:30 AM Hi,
I've completed two new 3 views for the book of Jason and the site, and updated the page of Il-2s of 1942. Here are the profiles and the link to a page with 3 views and photos. (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/91/il2-sp-fl-aml-3view-col-z18-82valeriychkalov-p.jpg) (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/91/il2-sp-fl-aml-3view-col-z18-91-p.jpg) http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/91/82-91.html (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/91/82-91.html) As you see, I am projecting to replace gradually all the thumbnails with small profiles linking to 3 views or small pages. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Arrow on March 24, 2014, 07:43:59 PM Thanks for both wonderful profiles. I am building a plastic model of 1/72 Il-2 (Smer) and I would like to reproduce the colour scheme of White 82 with the inscription Valery Chkalov. There are however few things where I am quite puzzled. Any help here will be really appreciated.
1. the outline of the stars - it is noted that Zavod 18 used silver outlines (til August 4.), but the profile shows white outlines of the stars - which ones should I use? 2. Right (from pilot's perspective) wing colour profile shows very atypical scheme with one large black patch connected with the front of the fuselage. Most other variations show more typical (trident/fork) camouflage on the right wing (like the white 91). I unfortunately couldn't find any better photo of white 82 and I am considering both possibilities now - any insight here would be very helpful. 3. The fuselage front is whole black, it is also hardly recognizable on the supplied photo, although it seems fully black and I am inclined to it - however most other variations show a green patch (like on white 91). Again any insight here would be very welcome. Thanks a lot for any answers :) Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 25, 2014, 11:11:01 AM Hi Arrow,
thank you for your interest in my work. About the outlines: I think they are white. They look white on the most part of planes and I suggest to take this as first choice unless there is reason to do differently. I'll check the text, that is wide and made in a long time, about silver. I've uploaded all the photos of plane 82 I have, so I can't add much on this. The unusual black nose seems confirmed on both photos, so I think that the wing is unusual too, as visible on the photo showing it, that looks of good quality. My suggestion is to paint the model as from the drawing. Please, let me know if you find anything that requires a correction to the drawing. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Arrow on March 25, 2014, 06:40:00 PM Thank you for your insight Massimo. I will do the pattern according to your drawing, meanwhile I will try to search if there is a better photo, if I find something I will present it here. Keep up the good work, it is highly appreciated :) It is also very surprising that the Academy Il-2 1/72 has this camo and marking as a box art and it is presented in this ridiculous combination of brown and green ::)
Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: learstang on March 26, 2014, 04:52:32 AM That's because it was from back in the "good old days" when everyone, especially in the West, thought the two-colour scheme was brown/green, not black/green. Even East Europeans sources had that wrong camouflage (I've seen it in a small book on the Il-2 published as late as 2011[?], in Russia, no less!).
Regards, Jason Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 26, 2014, 07:07:43 AM Hi Arrow,
it's true for the singleseater. But it seems that they have looked at my page for the twoseater, with decals made by Cartograf. The painting instructions of '24' are nearly identical to the drawing that I published few weeks before. Hi Jason, yes, the artists not strictly involved with VVS often have outdated sources. The important thing is that he decals are good. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Troy Smith on March 26, 2014, 01:56:05 PM That's because it was from back in the "good old days" when everyone, especially in the West, thought the two-colour scheme was brown/green, not black/green. Even East Europeans sources had that wrong camouflage (I've seen it in a small book on the Il-2 published as late as 2011[?], in Russia, no less!). Regards, Jason Since links to the below this turned up in a recent thread, worth mentioning it is still listed in the site linked as a valid scheme, and as an 'expert' used in restorations, this 'information' won't just go away. http://www.redbanner.co.uk/History/il2guide/basic_vvs-colouration.html Quote The Il-2 started the GPW wearing a two-colour disruptive scheme of Black/Green, as with fighter aircraft. During 1942 it even received some Dark Green/Green applications, as well. So far as is currently known, AMT was not employed on the early Il-2 programme. During late 1942, examples of the Il-2 two-seater began to appear wearing a two-colour scheme with AII Brown replacing AII Black. This paint, AII Brown, was known before the GPW, but was not common until it began to be used on the Il-2. The name "Brown" is also highly misleading-- the factories who made aircraft called the paint "red", which seems more appropriate than "brown". The Il-2 programme turned to AII Brown with very great enthusiasm, and from spring 1943 this became the standard AII lacquer finish for Il-2s. During 1943 the government (NKAP) decided to offer some advice on camouflage. Once such recommendation was for a three-colour camouflage for use on shturmoviki (assault aircraft) using the new AMT type paints. On the Il-2 this application was used from late 1943, featuring AMT-12/-1/-4 over AMT-7. At the time of writing, it would appear that both AII and AMT lacquer schemes were applied to the Il-2 indiscriminately for the remainder of the GPW. Research continues on this topic to attempt to quantify these relative ubiquity of these options. Other three-colour applications on the Il-2 are known. Many field applied schemes of this type were completed, and there were examples of AII Black/Brown/Green at at least two of the factories involved. Factory 18 made a series of Southern Front camouflage Il-2s, these in AII Black/Brown/Light Brown. These were, of course, specific and unusual examples, and not the norm. As some of the information is correct it's easy to see how confusion arises. The Pe-2 'colouring' down the page is 'interesting' as well. I know, old news, easy target, but as these are being still put forward as 'facts' it worth mentioning, as there is a popular perception among the uninitiated that Soviet colours are a complex and difficult subject, comparable to the complexity of the Luftwaffe, when the opposite is the case, much more akin to RAF camouflage, which is mostly standard, with some interesting quirks and variations to be aware of. cheers T Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 26, 2014, 02:46:59 PM Very self-referential.
Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 28, 2014, 06:17:16 PM Hi,
another one. (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/il2-sp-fl-al-3view-avenge.jpg) The plane of Alexey Arsentevich Rogozhin of 763 ShAP in spring 1942, Kalinin front. The inscription means "Avenge Major Kozlova". Major Peter P. Kozlov was killed in action on 07/03/1943; Rogozhin did this inscription on his IL-2 a couple of days after this. http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=12877 From an interview, the inscription is described as made with light blue paint, and is well visible in a photo that I can't publish for copyright reasons. The number, of which only the top is visible, is 13, apparently with the same shade. The photo shows also an huge red star with very thin and irregular white outline, and light irregular parts on the camo; all that is explainable as if the plane was painted with washable white paint during the winter, and the huge star was painted with permanent red paint over temporary white distemper. When the white layer was washed off during the spring, the star remained, aside some white remains. The original star of Zavod 30 was then deleted with black or green paint, and the 13 added on; later, the slogan was added on too. All what is not visible on the photo was drawn as on usual planes of Zavod 30 built in late 1942 that equipped this unit. Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: B_Realistic on April 28, 2014, 09:26:50 PM That's a very interesting Il-2.
Maybe I do another one. :D Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 29, 2014, 06:42:19 AM Yes, interesting indeed.
The slogan could give some difficulty. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: xan on April 29, 2014, 11:27:51 AM Hello Massimo,
this profile is very nice indeed. is there a picture of this plane? Why did you choose light blue color it was the tradition in this regiment? a testimony? or an personal interpretation? Anyway, very atractive decoration... Xan Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on April 29, 2014, 02:35:02 PM Hi Xan,
i have a photo from Vitaliy, but he recommanded not to show it. It shows few more than the slogan. The blue color, the fact that it's a singleseater of Z 30 and the slogan was blue are informations from him, probably answers of a veteran that now is died. I acted with these informations only. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: xan on May 02, 2014, 12:11:35 AM OK, thank you; you know other examples of blue codes?
Xan Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: KL on May 02, 2014, 01:28:22 AM I think I read somewhere that only red, black, white and silver were officially approved for tactical numbers...
KL Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 02, 2014, 07:36:31 AM Hi Konstantin,
this is true, but the information comes from a veteran (via Timoshenko) and I think it is reliable. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: xan on May 02, 2014, 01:58:25 PM I think I read somewhere that only red, black, white and silver were officially approved for tactical numbers... this is true Do you know Massimo and konstantin more about that ? is there an official decision about that?Massimo, in the picture, is it clear that it's not white paint? could it be silver? Who is Timoshenko? have you other examples of blue codes? I think I saw a profil of P-39 with blue code, but I'm not sure... Xan Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 02, 2014, 09:14:11 PM Hi Xan,
Timoshenko is known as Tora on Russian forums. Maybe you could contact him. Light blue is described by a veteran, I think the pilot himself. I don't see reason to doubt of his words: light blue was easily available; besides it's easily distinguishable from silver on a curved surface. Unfortunately I haven't photos of wrecks with light blue numbers, only this photo of a postwar plane. (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/1945-1950-newtypes/il10color.jpg) Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: KL on May 02, 2014, 09:29:10 PM Aren't we talking about tactical numbers?
Red, blue and yellow for spinners are known. Inscription may have been written in any bright colour, but tactical numbers were most likely red, black, white and silver. It's quite clear why blue wasn't an official colour - how would blue number work on blue undersides? Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: xan on May 02, 2014, 10:51:00 PM Timoshenko is known as Tora on Russian forums. With pleasureLight blue is described by a veteran, I think the pilot himself. I don't see reason to doubt of his words: I have the greatest repect for the veteran. Despite of that. What says a veteran is not necesserely true. He can have forgotten or mix two different remind.For exemple Roland de la Poype my Normandie niemen great heroe spoke about the tricolor spiner of the yak-1 in the first campaign they did, wich is impossible because tricolor spinners appears during the second campaign with the yak-9, for exemple. What a veteran says is an important element, but not an evidence. If we can it's intersting to confront this testimony with other information, it's the fundament of the historical approach. And in this case it's written anywhere thet tactical numbers can be only white black red or silver, it's intersting to confront the different element. Massimo, I'm not judging your conclusion at all, I would just like to confirm it ... You have the pic. in that pic, is the color evidentely darker than white? could it be red or silver? Xan Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 04, 2014, 10:39:40 AM Hi Xan,
the color is more or less as the skin of the pilot. If i wasn't told that it was blue, I would have drawn it white as usual. What was visible of 13 seem more or less the same shade, even if i wasn't told explicitely that it was blue, and now the veteran has died. Yes, could also be wrong, but with what elements should I go against? Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 04, 2014, 10:57:36 AM Hi,
(http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/il2-sp-fl-aml-3view-col-z18-55.jpg) (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/55stepanyan.jpg) Il-2 red 55 of N.G.Stepanyan, 57 PShAP. VVS KBF, Baltic/Leningrad area, date unknown (presumably 1942). The photo shows the central part of the fuselage, the red 55 with white outline and the star with white outline that suggests a plane built by Z.18. The underlying camouflage is unrecognizable, but the plane appears oversprayed with faint blotches of white washable paint, partially extended over the markings. On the drawing, the presence of the intake filter, aiming lines and VV-1 is merely hypothetical. Thanks to Vitaliy Timoshenko for the informations and the image. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: KL on May 05, 2014, 12:28:07 AM Interesting photo; so far I have seen only the cropped version showing Stepanyan and very small part of the canopy.
Massimo, profiles are good but top view gives an impression that the plane was intentionally sprayed in small white blotches. IMHO, plane's upper surfaces were originally completely covered in white (in autumn 1941) and then next spring (1942) white MK-7 was removed. That is when Stepanyan and the plane were photographed (after the temporary MK-7 was removed). So, the plane should have blotchy/smudged appearance. It should have white paint remnants all over its top side (no large areas completely cleaned of temp white). Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 05, 2014, 08:21:00 AM Hi Konstantin,
my impression from the photo is that the white was sprayed in faint blotches, not that it has disappeared for having been washed. The ground too looks snowy. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: KL on May 05, 2014, 10:17:27 AM Hi Massimo,
yes you are right, the photo was taken in winter. Ground is completely covered in snow.... In that case there should be significantly more white colour on the plane, especially on the wings. Few isolated blotches would be ineffective on white background. Since you have one photo, you can make analogies with other 57 pshap KBF Il-2s (http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4529/83653351.152/0_87288_8f3b11cd_L.jpg) (http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/9113/83653351.263/0_b3f8a_7d141a26_L.jpg) regards, KL Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 05, 2014, 11:57:32 AM Hi, Konstantin,
I think that the way of blotching is clear enough on the photo. I can't understand if it is diffused on all the plane, but photos of different planes don't help much. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: KL on May 05, 2014, 06:40:52 PM I think that the way of blotching is clear enough on the photo. I can't understand if it is diffused on all the plane, but photos of different planes don't help much. Hi Massimo,If the blotching is so clear (and it isn't!), why didn't you extend the same type of blotching on wings? What was your reasoning behind the assumption that the wings were almost "clean"? There are few problems with your interpretation: 1. Photo is far from good quality and being reliable. Remember how Misos made dark green blotches on Suhov's P-39 based on a poor quality photo? Then the better quality photo proved that there was no dark green on rear fuselage. 2. Blotching wasn't required (for what I know) and if it was intentionally made that would be a questionable "non-standard" scheme. What was required for winter was a solid white "protective" scheme. In the field white paint was applied unevenly and it quickly weathered into blotchy appearance - IMHO that is what have happened with Il-2 No "55" 3. If photos show 57 shap KBF planes in field applied winter camouflage scheme, those photos are an evidence. If 2 such photos show that the temp winter camouflage was uneven solid white, than your Il-2 No "55" had high probability of being originally painted in uneven solid white. Not in few ineffective white blotches. ;D Instead of a questionable "non-standard" scheme, make your Il-2 No 55 look what we know was very common - "a weathered/uneven field applied protective winter colouring" :) Finally, another photo of Stepanyan in an Il-2 single-seater, again Leningrad, 1942 - it could be the same Il-2 No 55. (http://img11.nnm.me/0/8/0/4/0/dcc9c99f4dd7a94f5499299115c.jpg) IMHO, it's an another proof that it was "weathered/uneven field applied protective winter colouring". Not "few useless white blotches" Regards, KL Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 05, 2014, 08:58:35 PM Hi Konstantin,
for me, the photo is absolutely clear, and shows sprayed blotches, not a cancelled uniform white layer. They are well different. And then, why should them have deleted the white layer if there was still snow? I don't see any resemblance between the plane 55 and the uniformly painted one. Probably this latter is the same of the photo of the canopy, but I don't see evidence that it was the same of 55, not even repainted, even if the pilot was the same. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: KL on May 05, 2014, 09:09:57 PM Hi Massimo,
how about the wings? why not the same blotching? Why is half of the port wing devoid of blotches (i.e. unpainted in white)? Why are wing blotches larger than fuselage blotches? Why is spacing between wing blotches larger then the spacing between fuselage blotches? any reasons, any analogies? for me, the photo is absolutely clear, and shows sprayed blotches, not a cancelled uniform white layer. They are well different. And then, why should them have deleted the white layer if there was still snow? I said weathered in my second post, not cancelled. Clearly nobody would "delete" white camouflage if the snow was completely covering the ground. Use the same logic; why would they leave large parts of the wing un-blotched/un-camouflaged if the snow was completely covering the ground? Regards, KL Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 06, 2014, 06:56:39 AM Hi Konstantin,
a white camouflage can give visible traces of degrading: chipping, darker stripes where it is subject to wearing, white paint more abundant in recesses etc. The photo is of good quality, particularly the version I have received that is larger and uncropped, and I don't see anything of this. So I am confident that they are sprayed blotches. About parts not visible in the photo, they are merely guessed. Anyway I did this after having seen a lot of winter painted shturmoviks, and I am convinced that there is improvisation and not an unified template under this plane. So, a further photo of 55 (or at least of a plane that could be 55) would be highly welcome, but photos of planes that are visibly different don't help much. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: barneybolac on May 10, 2014, 08:16:04 AM Hi, (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/il2-sp-fl-aml-3view-col-z18-55.jpg) (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/55stepanyan.jpg) Il-2 red 55 of N.G.Stepanyan, 57 PShAP. VVS KBF, Baltic/Leningrad area, date unknown (presumably 1942). The photo shows the central part of the fuselage, the red 55 with white outline and the star with white outline that suggests a plane built by Z.18. The underlying camouflage is unrecognizable, but the plane appears oversprayed with faint blotches of white washable paint, partially extended over the markings. On the drawing, the presence of the intake filter, aiming lines and VV-1 is merely hypothetical. Thanks to Vitaliy Timoshenko for the informations and the image. Regards Massimo Fantastic photo of #55 & a very nice profile as well. I hope one day to see the film of the presentation of his IL-2 that he is most famous for. Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 10, 2014, 03:19:36 PM Hi,
his supposed grey and red plane, you mean? That one is a mystery, despite the many photos available. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: barneybolac on May 11, 2014, 01:25:26 AM Hi, his supposed grey and red plane, you mean? That one is a mystery, despite the many photos available. Regards Massimo That is the one. Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 11, 2014, 04:54:11 AM I've renounced to draw it for now. On one side, I had just to copy the drawing of Montex. with few improvements on the wing leading edge. On the other side, I would have guessed that a part of the livery should be dark blue with grey or green canopy frames, but it is just a guess and won't have justified a conflict with their drawing.
Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on June 23, 2014, 09:25:27 PM Hi all,
a new one (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/il2-sp-fl-aml-3view-col-z18-banded10.jpg) from this photo. http://80.91.34.200/spWebApp/preview.action?search.offset=97&search.rid=2317169&search.rbase=SP_TEMP&search.previewNumResults=2385&search.rbase=SP_TEMP&search.tabId=editorial&search.searchString=&search.showNumResults=101&search.searchId=949307488&search.businessArea=creative&search.advanced.dateCreated=1942 (http://80.91.34.200/spWebApp/preview.action?search.offset=97&search.rid=2317169&search.rbase=SP_TEMP&search.previewNumResults=2385&search.rbase=SP_TEMP&search.tabId=editorial&search.searchString=&search.showNumResults=101&search.searchId=949307488&search.businessArea=creative&search.advanced.dateCreated=1942) Plane of Z.18, photographed in mid 1942. No data known. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 04, 2015, 08:56:04 AM Hi, another one. (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/22rednose.jpg) (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/22b.jpg) Il-2 White 22 of unknown unit after a belly landing. presumably in 1942. The spinner looks black with a red tip. White 22's fuselage is covered by dust and mud because of its belly landing; the tail shows clearly the typical painting of zavod 1, while the few that can be seen of the camouflage under the mud splashes allows only a partial reconstruction of it. The VV-1 aiming device and three white aiming lines are recognizable on the nose, so the plane was probably produced in mid 1942. The short barrels protruding from the wings suggest ShVAK guns instead of VYa-23, in line with what is expected from planes of Z.1 in 1942. The plane shows two interesting characteristics: both the front of the landing gear nacelles are painted with a light color, possibly light blue; besides there is a light part on the right stabilizer, that looks a repair made with thin metal sheet or adhesive tape over a war damage. Some photos show the plane with large parts of its fabric skinning of the fuselage removed, probably in correspondance of the fuselage red stars; this looks a confirmation of their presence even if they can't be seen in the photos due to the mud splashes. Thanks to Vitaliy Timoshenko for his help. (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/il2-sp-fl-al-22.jpg) Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on February 14, 2015, 04:24:13 PM Hi all,
another one. (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/73a.jpg) (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/73b.jpg) First photo: pilot N.N.Kirov of 174 ShAP poses close to plane White 73 in May 1942. The plane, built in early 1942 in Z.18, has the stiffeners to strenghten the rear fuselage. Second photo: pilot G.M.Mylnikov poses close to the same plane. This detail allows to see the thin (red?) outline around the white number. The outline around the star seems silver. The stiffeners seem painted before being installed on the plane. It's likely that this plane had a colored (red?) front of the spinner as other planes of the same unit. Images: spb.photoarchive.ru via V.Timoshenko (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/il2-sp-fl-aml-3view-73of174shap.jpg) Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: learstang on March 17, 2015, 05:33:55 AM Very nice profiles as usual, Massimo!
Regards, Jason Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: barneybolac on March 26, 2015, 02:16:11 AM Hi, (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/il2-sp-fl-aml-3view-col-z18-55.jpg) (http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2-1942/55stepanyan.jpg) Il-2 red 55 of N.G.Stepanyan, 57 PShAP. VVS KBF, Baltic/Leningrad area, date unknown (presumably 1942). The photo shows the central part of the fuselage, the red 55 with white outline and the star with white outline that suggests a plane built by Z.18. The underlying camouflage is unrecognizable, but the plane appears oversprayed with faint blotches of white washable paint, partially extended over the markings. On the drawing, the presence of the intake filter, aiming lines and VV-1 is merely hypothetical. Thanks to Vitaliy Timoshenko for the informations and the image. Regards Massimo Fantastic photo of #55 & a very nice profile as well. I hope one day to see the film of the presentation of his IL-2 that he is most famous for. Doubt it is the same aircraft based off of the position of the number? (http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/IL-2%20STUFF/1f8340640114_zpsaxsev0tv.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/IL-2%20STUFF/1f8340640114_zpsaxsev0tv.jpg.html) http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2124&p=222 Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: Massimo Tessitori on March 26, 2015, 06:53:46 AM Hi,
yes, the position of the number isn't the same with respect to the star. Besides the white outline suggests a plane of Z.18, and the far plane seems to be of Z.1 on the base of the camo. Regards Massimo Title: Re: Il-2s of 1942 Post by: TISO on April 08, 2018, 03:32:23 PM Didn't know where to put it. Single seater modified to two seater december 1941
Group of flyers of 18.ShAP of 2nd MABr that recived medals december 1941 (https://2017.f.a0z.ru/11/14-5604637-gruppa-lyotchikov-18-shap-2-mabr-vvs-chf-nagrazhdyonnykh-ordenami-12.41g..jpg) Another modified Il-2 (in foreground) of 57.ShAP VVS KBF on airfield 1942 (https://2017.f.a0z.ru/12/26-5604637-sovetskie-shturmoviki-il-2-iz-sostava-57-go-pikirovochno-shturmovogo-aviapolka-vvs-baltijskogo-flota-na-aerodrome.42g.jpg) from http://forums.airbase.ru/2017/11/t32321_46--tolko-otechestvennaya-morskaya-aviatsiya.html |