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Great Patriotic War Aviation => Ilyushins => Topic started by: nsmekanik on May 04, 2020, 02:36:18 PM



Title: Early IL-2 lower wing
Post by: nsmekanik on May 04, 2020, 02:36:18 PM
I am working on Academy's Il-2 single seat, found here https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/gb-46-1-72-il-2-ww2-eastern-front-twin-engine-a-c-transports-and-gliders.53541/ (https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/gb-46-1-72-il-2-ww2-eastern-front-twin-engine-a-c-transports-and-gliders.53541/) , and I'm planning to use the kit decals to do white 19 of 174 ShAP. As I need to backdate the wings to the early version is there any good pics and/or drawings of the wings undersides? Also interested if there is any more information about this plane.


Title: Re: Early IL-2 lower wing
Post by: John Thompson on May 04, 2020, 11:57:26 PM
Does this help? Not the best drawing for wing underside details, but maybe it's enough. If not, let me know, and I'll keep looking.

(https://i.postimg.cc/ZqJM6Q5B/Il-2-early.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jDkcbZNt)

John


Title: Re: Early IL-2 lower wing
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 05, 2020, 08:22:15 AM
Hi,
wing model 1941... this is from a book of Rastrenin

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/il-2/mod41-topdown.jpg)

I've seen your AM half-built. For inside colors, don't worry, it could be that it was repainted in some maintenance session. A lot of unexpected colors have been seen inside Soviet planes.

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Early IL-2 lower wing
Post by: John Thompson on May 05, 2020, 12:40:55 PM
Hi,
wing model 1941... this is from a book of Rastrenin


Yes, that's much better!

John


Title: Re: Early IL-2 lower wing
Post by: nsmekanik on May 06, 2020, 08:14:40 AM
Thank you Gentlemen, very much appreciated  :)


Is there any information as to where  174 ShAP was in the end of October in 1941?


Title: Re: Early IL-2 lower wing
Post by: Ohotnyik on May 06, 2020, 10:10:44 AM
Thank you Gentlemen, very much appreciated  :)


Is there any information as to where  174 ShAP was in the end of October in 1941?

http://ava.org.ru/shap/15g.htm (http://ava.org.ru/shap/15g.htm)


Title: Re: Early IL-2 lower wing
Post by: nsmekanik on May 06, 2020, 10:32:51 AM
Thank you for that, very much appreciated  :)


Title: Re: Early IL-2 lower wing
Post by: nsmekanik on May 06, 2020, 03:20:32 PM
I've seen your AM half-built. For inside colors, don't worry, it could be that it was repainted in some maintenance session. A lot of unexpected colors have been seen inside Soviet planes.

Regards
Massimo


Thanks Massimo, when I get to it I think I will finish it as silver? 94 that's in the profiles, as I have the Errormaster decals for it, the 94 will be white though as that's what they are on the sheet.

Tim


Title: Re: Early IL-2 lower wing
Post by: expositor on May 07, 2020, 11:01:52 PM
So is it a wing with larger guns that has the asymmetric shell ejection ports?


Title: Re: Early IL-2 lower wing
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 08, 2020, 08:09:33 AM
Hi,
larger guns? No, they are smaller: 20 mm ShVAK instead of the 23 mm VYa of later types.

I strongly suspect that the waste shells and links slots are drawn wrongly. They don't resemble what we see on ShVAK-armed I-16s.  I had a look to photos but found few.

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/il-2/slots.jpg)

To have an idea, please see the drawings of the I-16, keeping in mind that the guns on I-16 protruded much more than on the Il-2; on I-16, the waste links were expelled from a small tube aside the barrel, on Il-2 this could be replaced by a tube expelling them from a circular, oval or rectangular small slot. and always on the same side of the barrel.

(http://massimotessitori.altervista.org/sovietwarplanes/pages/i16/type17/type17-down.jpg)

Regards
Massimo


Title: Re: Early IL-2 lower wing
Post by: expositor on May 08, 2020, 10:11:32 PM
Hi Massimo,

I just assumed a later plane would be up-gunned with one with a larger bore.  Anyway, is that drawing above correct
as to the ejection chutes?  I can't recall where I saw plans with the asymmetric ports, and this fire tablet I'm forced to use doesn't search well; or maybe it's just me?

Thanks,
Jim


Title: Re: Early IL-2 lower wing
Post by: Massimo Tessitori on May 08, 2020, 11:14:22 PM
I don't think that the drawing of Il-2 is correct, I think that there is a more or less square hole and a smaller hole in front of it. The long slot of the drawing doesn't seem confirmed by photos or analogies with those of I-16.
Regards
Massimo