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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2012, 05:35:08 PM » |
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Yes, they're the same people Massimo. I suppose if they made the Il-4 it would also be in 1/48th scale, like their Tu-2 (anybody here actually seen one in person; the kit, not the actual aeroplane?). I'd rather it were in 1/72nd scale, my much-preferred scale, but it would be nice to see a reasonably accurate Il-4 in any scale.
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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2012, 07:20:11 AM » |
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I agree, 1/72 is more important for large planes. Who knows if they will scale down their Tu-2 some day?
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« Reply #33 on: December 17, 2012, 09:25:27 PM » |
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Very nice, Massimo, thank you for posting these! Regarding the Il-4, it looks like Roll Models have the old Goffy resin upgrade set for the Zvezda kit (at least they've charged me for it, which hopefully means it's on its way). I'll post some comments on it when I receive it, either here or on another thread.
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« Reply #34 on: December 17, 2012, 10:39:18 PM » |
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and again "hypothetical" AMT-1 as early as 1941?  How do you explain it? Why light brown and not something else?  I think I can see a red star on the wing upper surface???  Why light blue undersides if plane was originally painted overall light gray or silver?? Regards, KL |
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« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2012, 08:02:08 AM » |
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Hi,
if it's not some light brown similar to AMT-1, then make a more likely hypothesis, please. Take in account that it looks matt.
The undersurfaces could also be silver or grey.
Hi Jason, I've seen some photos of that set, looks able to give some improvement on the engines and landing gear. The set for the cockpit results out of production.
Regards
Massimo
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« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2012, 08:14:26 PM » |
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if it's not some light brown similar to AMT-1, then make a more likely hypothesis, please. Hi Massimo, the subject is poorly researched. Try first to answer: Who, when, where? What unit? How were painted other planes in that unit? What airfield? Other planes at the same airfield? When you answer some of these questions we may start with hypotheses. There must be more than one photo of this plane - German tourist usually took more than one low-rez photo... Take in account that it looks matt.
Yes, I can see that, but a better photo would be more convincing. It took me a lot of time and effort to convince you that luster (glossy vs.matt) is an important property for Soviet paints. Not so long ago, you wrote on this forum that both AII and AMT paints were "semi-gloss"...  The undersurfaces could also be silver or grey.
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« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2012, 11:07:31 PM » |
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Hi Konstantin,
unfortunately, at present time there is only this photo available, despite our research. If you find informations, please let me know.
The original painting of DB-3 was nearly always silver, so it's likely that this color was preserved.
About the finish of AMT, the articles of Orlov on M-Hobby gave FS numbers starting with 2 for AMT paints and with 3 for A-m paints. As you know, in the FS catalogue 2 is for semigloss (or semimatt if you prefer) and 3 for matt.
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« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2012, 06:08:57 PM » |
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Hi Massimo, DB-3T should be gray, not silver. Most likely only planes made in 1939 were silver. Planes made in 1937/38 and 1940 were gray. Approx 2/3rds of all DB-3s were made in 1939, but all 97 DB-3Ts were made in 1938. HTH, KL PS: why don't you post plane photos first, discuss them, and then draw profiles? |
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« Reply #40 on: December 23, 2012, 09:20:06 PM » |
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Hi, I have seen only the prototype of DB-3T painted grey, all other ones were clearly silver. You can see the photos.      If you find photos of DB-3 /DB-3F in grey overall, please let me know, they worth a profile. Regards Massimo |
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« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2012, 08:28:13 AM » |
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Hi Massimo, you have probably forgotten our discussion about SB bombers: silver AE-8 hasn't been produced till late 1938 and it was used only during 1939. At the time when DB-3Ts were made, silver AE-8 didn't exist..  Waving with photos will not help - it is very hard, usually impossible to distinguish light gray AE-9 from metallic white AE-8 on B/W photos...  IMHO following two planes are CLEARLY light gray: Hope this helps, KL |
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« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2012, 08:44:16 AM » |
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Hi Konstantin,
I don't think at all. Your information is probably relative to SB, but photos of SB show clearly the difference between grey planes and silver planes, so there is not any reason to think that grey and silver are undistinguishable on DB-3s.
In any case, the profile represents the plane how it appears on the photo.
Regards
Massimo
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« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2012, 09:11:40 AM » |
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They look definetly NMF and not grey.
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« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2012, 10:07:40 AM » |
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Number 11 looks silver on some frames on this collage, and perhaps grey on some others. But it's definetly alumine painted, no matter any dates. Just like all Finnish captured and shot down Db:s during a winter war. Sb:s are different case. http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/db3-il4/tapani/shining-red11.htm |
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