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Interview by Oleg Korytov and Konstantin Chirkin with Minin Alexei
Semenovich.
Editor: Igor Zhidov
Special thanks to Svetlana Spiridonova, Igor Seidov, Ilya Grinberg,
and James Gebhardt
I, Minin Alexei Semenovich, VVS Colonel, Retired, was born on February 18th, 1922, in Podboratye, which was 10 kilometers from Pskov.
My parents were peasants. In 1931 our family moved to Leningrad, and
my dad became a factory worker. Our apartment was on Chaikovskaya Street.
Here I finished 10th grade in school.
— How did you become a pilot?
How did I end up in aviation? At first I fought in the Finnish War
as a volunteer…
— How did you get into that war then? You shouldn’t have been inducted,
as you were only 17 years old.
There were a lot of guys like me. All those who appeared fit were accepted.
I worked at ship repair factory then. It was called «plant No196».
One day I came early, and I was immediately summoned via courier:
— Minin, you have to go to the Komsomol committee immediately!
What for? — I thought. I couldn’t recall any improprieties I could
have.
It was a common practice to be called there for some kind of offenses…
I was a sportsman, and did a lot of skiing. There was a whole group
of sportsmen in our shop, which was led by our Master, and we were very
serious at it. And that’s why their attention turned to me:
— Well, you will have to go to war!
We, volunteers, were gathered and brought by truck to the voenkomat
of the Moscow district… In two days we formed up on the basis of the «2nd
artillery school», were armed with rifles, and sent to the frontline…
When the war was over, I returned safe and sound. My Dad met me at the
railway station and we celebrated for two days and nights…
In 1941, I was once again called to the army. It was done as if I was
an ordinary boy; my participation in the Finnish campaign was not accounted
for. By this time I already had a primary flying education: while working
at the plant I underwent training in OSOAVIAKHIM, and had received a license
to fly the U-2. Because of this I was sent to the ShMAS – there were no
places at the pilot schools at the time. I entered the war as an aircraft
technician. In 1941 I began fighting on a Po-2 in a women’s bomber regiment.
I had to hang bombs and repair battle damage. During the Battle for Moscow
I even had to fly combat missions as a pilot and bomb Germans, even though
I was a mechanic… Regiment commander Major Reutov was a very good commander.
The supreme command ordered him to keep as many planes in the air as possible,
and he allowed me to fly ten or fifteen missions. Most of our pilots were
women… And most of them perished during the Stalingrad battle…
I finished Military flight school only in 1947, and ended up in Germany.
There I was sent to Vasiliy Stalin’s division. He was a Colonel then, division
commander. Several times I even had to fly with him. One of his duties
as a division commander was to check how his pilots flew. Everything ended
well, even though that I almost strayed off the runway on take off. Eventually
I coped with the problem and took off normally.
— On which plane did he test you?
On a twin-control ULa-5. Later we received the La-7. They were better
than the La-5. Then we received the all-metal La-9. This was a good and
reliable airplane... In 1949 I began flying jet planes, in the MiG-15.
— Didn’t you fly Yak-17s and MiG-9s?
We had to fly them, the Yak-17 namely, but for a brief period of time,
so I don’t remember them now.
— What was the situation in Germany?
Situation? We had to ride with former enemies from the same tram stop.
We went to our airfield, they went to their work. Sometimes, some of them
would shout at us “Russisch Swine,” and we then pulled out our pistols,
threatening to shoot at them… Later, when I returned from Korea, we even
had conflicts with DDR VVS pilots over this.
While I was flying in Germany, some of our regiment’s pilots were sent
to China. They received some extra training and set off to Lyaomyao… It
was an airfield about 30 kilometers from Port Arthur. When they arrived
there, the 29th Regiment was already there.
We had to take all our flight clothing with us: flight overalls, trousers,
fur cloth, helmets, all other stuff. We were given huge suitcases for our
transfer. Huge suitcase.
Our regiment was among the first to fight in Korea. It was sent in
to protect Shanghai. It needed protection. Air raid alarms were sounded
there each night. It was a multi-million city, and these alarms caused
havoc. Our planes began flying there, and very soon two B-26s were shot
down. I have no idea where they flew from, but they were a real pain in
the side of the Chinese government…
Pashkevich, our division commander, ordered them to be shot down, and
in a few days two of them were brought down by MiG-15 pilots.
One of the tasks our pilots had in China was to train Chinese
pilots to fly jet planes. The first to train them was Pashkevich himself.
What he did was a simulated take-offs . He took one Chinese cadet into
the MiG-15UTI cockpit and started to take off. When speed rose to the lift-off
parameters, he would pull the throttle back:
— Get out! Was it clear? Next!
Then he gathered our pilots:
— Well, guys! We have a task. You are pilots, they are dorks… You have
to carve pilots out of them…
And they carved pilots out of them. Surprisingly, the Chinese
cadets were eager to learn and quite soon were able to fly more or less
decently...
— Did you use the Chinese language over the radio?
Yes, we used it.
— That is, you spoke Chinese in the air?
There were several words we had to remember, like «attacking
bombers», «Help!». But now I do not remember those words…
A copy of Russian-Chinese translator which was issued to every Soviet
pilot to use in combat.
— Were there problems with food for Chinese cadets?
Yes, there were. They even lost consciousness in the air due to the
hunger. Division commander Pashkevich called the chef from the canteen
and asked him:
— How do you feed the pilots?
— The same as all other soldiers.
— Feed them as much as they can eat. Stand near them and make sure
that they eat everything brought to them. They simply fade away on high-G
turns. We will not be able to make pilots out of them if they don’t eat!
That’s how our pilots begun training Chinese cadets. Pashkevich was
a great pilot and good commander. He was a HSU.
— Were Chinese pilots any good or were they worthless in combat?
Or did they require more training?
They could be trained to a good level… Normal pilots, and they flew
well. When we were in Andun, they helped us a lot. We flew alongside them.
— Most of the MiG-15s shot down were flown by Chinese pilots. What
was the reason?
Because they had no combat experience. We were already well prepared
and our commanding officers and most of the pilots had GPW experience,
and we kicked the Americans’ tail. Chinese pilots simply lacked experience.
— Was that the main reason for heavy losses?
I can’t say that there were really “heavy” losses...
— For the Korean War, it is said that Chinese pilots shot down 376
UN airplanes, while they lost 352 of their aircraft.
All fairytales.
— Why do you think so? It’s their official record.
Where from? When the Korean War ended, it was announced that we had
shot down over 1000 enemy planes, while losing less then 400. But for me
the most important thing was that I had managed to make it home safe and
sound.
— How would you explain that the Americans claimed to have shot down
more MiG-15s than were supplied to that area?
They are known braggers. One shot down, ten reported. Who was going
to check their claims behind the frontline? They always had arrogance.
Sometimes, after a serious fight, when we would kick them, they simply
stopped flying for several weeks...
After the Korean War, for many years I worked at the united command
post in West Berlin. From there we controlled military air traffic together
with Americans, Britts, and French. Our main task was to provide safety
for air traffic. The commander from our side was Colonel Alexeev. I had
several opportunities to see how they acted. Americans are overly confident
until the first incident. When someone will step on their tail, than they
will hide it under belly.
— Did you participate in dogfights along with OVA pilots?
Yes.
— How did you communicate with them in the air?
They were all by themselves. They had a special training program, and
they had lower demands placed on them. If I brought an enemy plane in my
sight and missed, it was a matter of serious discussion. If Chinese pilots
missed, there was no problem with that.
— At which airfield were you based?
Andun and later Shanghai… (To be correct – first at Suichzhow, and
after that - Shanghai. I. Seidov)
— Could you describe what an average dogfight in Korea looked like?
It usually lasted for just seconds. It depends who will hit whom from
the first attack. And those who overlooked it will go straight to the ground.
And it was very brief. See him, approach him, strike him, and run away,
because someone might be approaching you, because there always were many
more enemies then us.
— What was the difference in group quantities between us and the
Americans?
We flew in groups of 6 or 8, and they flew no less then 20 planes in
formation.
— That is, 4 to 1 against us was a common situation?
Yes, and wherever you would turn there were Americans in the air.
— Which planes were utilized by Americans there?
I met B-29’s. «Sabres», that’s «F-86». We fought
against them. But I saw them only twice and we flew past each other peaceful
like. He missed me, and I missed him. We also saw a lot of «F-80s».
— Did you call F-80s «crosses»?
No we did not.
— Did you see any piston-engine airplanes?
Mostly we flew against jets, but sometimes we saw Corsairs, but there
were very few of those.
— Which armament do you think was better – three cannons on the MiG
or six machineguns on Sabre?
Hard to say, I never used their armament and never was hit by enemy
fighters… But I was satisfied by our armament. I think that cannons were
more effective.
— You had 1 or 2 triggers? Did you fire from all three cannons at
once?
We did not fire from all guns simultaneously. I always preserved ammo,
to have something to shoot back. We had two triggers. One was for the large
cannon, and the second for two small cannons.
— What was your rank and position?
Flight commander. Senior Lieutenant, and later - Captain.
— Who was your wingman?
I flew as a leader only several times, and pairs were assigned by the
regiment commander.
— Were there any cases when pilots refused to fly missions?
No. Not a single case. However difficult it was, we had losses, but
our fighting spirit was high. Well, war is war.
— Do you remember whom you lost?
Can’t say exactly. I simply do not remember now. (4 pilots were
killed in combat: Rumyantsev, Pavlenko, Serikov and Grebenkin. Five planes
were lost. I.Seidov)
— Did anyone leave duty due to health condition?
Life is life. Anything can happen. Some of us became ill.… But no one
faked it. (Minin himself had to stop flying combat missions due to bad
health condition. I.Seidov).
— You are credited with the downing of a B-29.
Yes, I did. Got him.
— How much you were paid for it?
Nothing. When I came to voenkomat, they told me that I should have
come straight away.
And I returned home with nothing… And I still wasn’t paid a single
kopek, while I was supposed to get 3500 rubles.
— Can you describe how you shot that B-29 down?
I made the first burst from a distance of well over a kilometer, but
then I understood that that “barn door” was huge. So I got closer, approximately
to 300 meters, and hit him good…
— Did you see the hits clearly?
Of course. I crossed him from wingtip to wingtip. I saw explosions
on his wings, smoke, fire, some bits started falling off, and finally he
went down.
— Did you see the crew bailing out?
I didn’t see any parachutes…
— Did they fire back at you?
Of course. And they hit. When I landed there were 2 or 3 holes found
in my airplane. To be honest, they were good shooters and their gunsights
were also good.
— How dangerous were enemy gunners?
As usual, 0,5. He knows that he is about to be shot down, adrenaline
pumping. No one wants to die. On average only each fifth or sixth attack
was successful.
— How did you maneuver to avoid getting hit by gunners?
We usually dove at full speed from above and behind, put our rounds
in the target, and left.
— How exactly did you shoot down that B-29?
I fired at 3\4 from behind–above–left… And hit him.
— How did you calculate the lead? By yourself or by gunsight automation?
I did it myself. How? Floor, ceiling, and a finger. By tracer… It was
really difficult to miss it, as it was a huge airplane, over 40 meters
in length and wingspan. You have to try hard to miss. The only reason to
miss it was when you shot from too far away.
— Some pilots said that because it was so big, they experienced psychological
problems while approaching them, and this in turn led to firing from great
distances.
Yes, it was big and dangerous. And when you approach it, it keeps getting
bigger. The faster you approach it, the bigger it seems to be.
— Apart from a B-29, did you shoot anything else down?
No, only the 29.
— May be you damaged somebody?
I don’t know, but I think that I had none of such hits. May be I hit
somebody, maybe not. Hard to say. I fired, but did I hit? No idea. Right
after the fight I could make suggestions, but just a couple of days later
I would have a slightly different picture. Now it may be totally different
to reality.
— How were kills confirmed?
We had search crews, which had to find a crash site and find witnesses
on the ground, who would say when and where the fight took place. Everything
had to be documented.
— Was a gun camera a good enough proof?
On film it was clear if you shot at somebody and when. If you were
possibly hitting – it was a probable hit. You can’t just make it up and
suck out of your finger. But film was not enough to credit a kill, unless
enemy aircraft had broken in bits. Because of that you had to write a report,
and a search team went to look for a crash site, and even more, they had
to bring some bits and pieces with BuNr on them…
— What if you hit an American and he made it to the sea and crashed
there?
It was not a kill. But usually if we hit them, they fell straight down.
And the team went searching. It sometimes took more than 2–3 weeks to locate
a crash site.
— Were you forbidden to fly over the sea?
Not really, we did fly over the sea. Our airfield was not far from
the shore line. There were huge swamps filled with mosquitoes which delivered
us more problems then Americans…
— Which of our planes in Korea did you think to be the best?
There were no planes better then the MiG. The Yak-17 was already obsolete.
— How was your airplane painted?
It wasn’t camouflaged. Just white, Korean tactical signs and tactical
numbers. I do not remember mine now, as well as my call sign. But call
signs were the same as tactical number.
— Where did you live there?
We lived in barracks. Both in China and Korea.
— How did you use your free time?
Free time? We had no time even to eat! We flew on a daily basis from
dawn till dusk.
— How many flights did you make per day?
Two, three, up to five.
— Did you drink alcohol there?
No, there was no alcohol there at all.
— Were there any entertainers and other visitors coming to your base?
We had one. It was at Andun airfield. They came to make improvements
on our MiGs, to perform structural reinforcements and increase their combat
capabilities. I don’t really remember what did they install. They hanged
around for a month. It was a factory team, from Moscow.
— How can you describe a Sabre?
«Sabre» — it was an excellent fighter, no worse than our
MiG. Not worse, but it wasn’t better either. It could get on your tail
and it could break away from us. «Sabre» — very good fighter.
The F-80 was complete crap in comparison with the Sabre or MiG. Those were
two or even three steps below.
— Do you remember how long the engine life was on a MiG?
Can’t answer this question. You should ask technicians about it. If
they reported that the airplane was ready, I simply took off and flew.
If it was not ready, I did not fly.
— If your plane was in for repairs, did you fly on another plane?
Usually I waited for my aircraft.
— How resistant was the MiG to battle damage?
Usually there was no problem. I personally brought home a couple of
large caliber bullet holes. Somebody came in with over 20 holes…
— After you came in to the airfield, how much time was needed to
prepare plane for a take off?
After landing I had 20–30 minutes to run around the airbase. There
were loudspeakers, and commander would call us:
— Callsign X, return to your plane, prepare for take off.
— How did your radio work?
Radio was excellent, everything was clear with no squelching.
— Did you have G-suits?
They appeared only after that war, and they really helped. The blood
did not flow out of our eyes; you saw everything and were able to shoot
normally. Before that you simply passed out.
— Was there an armored windscreen?
No.
— And seat armor?
There was one. But I have no idea how useful it was, as I was never
hit from the back. Maybe it did help somebody, but this is war, and if
you missed the enemy, it meant that you will go down with a trail of smoke
behind you, and not necessarily alive.
— Did you use air brakes in combat?
Yes.
— Which types of maneuvers did you use most commonly: horizontal
or vertical?
More often vertical.
— Were there cases of valezhka?
Valezhka was a serious problem. As I already said, there was a team,
which tried to reduce or completely remove some deficiencies. Some problems
were solved, but valezhka remained…
— What about reversing of ailerons?
I personally never had it, I don’t even know what is this. Valezhka
– that I had and not once. It will turn you in such a way that you don’t
know where is your head and were are your feet.
— How dangerous was the extended dive?
It was not dangerous at all. I dove, and if I thought that I was going
too fast I simply reduced the dive angle. I was quite confident about airplane
condition, but I looked if there was an enemy behind me. Some of our pilots
even breached the sound barrier… It was possible if you shallowly dove
from the maximum altitude with full throttle applied. If you went straight
down it was impossible – MiG pierced thin air layer and entered more dense
air area, where it could not exceed 0.95 – 0.98 Mach.
— Did American hunters try to catch you over your airfield?
Almost every day!
— Did you try to fight them?
Of course. Sometimes we brought them down, sometimes they brought us
down. They quite often blocked our operations from Andun. Sometimes they
even flew over our field 2–3 times a day.
— Do you remember the drop tanks?
I do remember them. But I never used them. Why? I don’t know. I was
never ordered to use them. But there was a case when one pilot collided
with such a tank. No serious damage was done, but it was still unpleasant.
— Did you land with no fuel left?
No. When I saw a reserve lamp flash, I skidded a bit and dove straight
down to avoid enemy planes…
— That is, the MiG had enough fuel to accomplish their missions?
Yes, it had enough fuel. 30–45 minutes.
— At what distance was gun convergence set? Who set the distance?
I registered my own cannons. This was a periodic procedure. But on
order of the commander. A special day was set aside and we did registration
fire on a range.
— How long was an average burst?
For about a second…
— And what about excitement: more, more, add more?
I had no such disease. Hit him? That’s enough, and he will go down.
— Did our forces listen to the enemy radio communications?
Yes. We had a special group of people who listened to the radio and
warned us: «Group of such planes are going toward you». And
they told us possible plane types, their number and route.
— Did you know anything about American aces?
We were told about them, and even some photos were shown to us. With
comments that they “shot down” our planes then and there. It sometimes
caused us to laugh, as we knew that we had no losses there and then.
— Did they bring those who were shot down to your airfield?
Planes? There was such a case. Our search team brought a white Saber
to the airfield. We looked at it, and later it was handed to the Koreans
as a gift. But they simply tore it to pieces in a couple of days. Just
like flayers…
— Did you fly reconnaissance missions?
No. And we did not fly air strike missions either.
— Do you remember how many American planes your regiment brought
down?
No, I do not, and I do not want to lie.
— More or less than we lost?
They lost many more. They lost some planes in almost each fight, while
our losses were quite rare.
— Were there cases of shooting parachutists?
I don’t know, but there was a rumor that Americans were keen to do
that.
— Which maneuvers did you use to escape from a dogfight?
“Dumb-bell” roll and down to the ground. And then tree-top between
bushes to the airfield.
— It sounds cute – dumb-bell. That’s a steep dive and…
Yes, half roll, dive and pulling out right over the ground. And landing
from a straight approach.
— What were the most common tactics?
I liked it if I could approach the enemy quietly, aim and press the
trigger. But if for some reason it was not possible, I became angry and
started firing “in that direction,” even though there was no probability
of a hit.
— What tactics you were taught before war?
Individual dogfight. We usually went there in a group, but as soon
as a fight began, we separated.
— How would you describe our pilots in Korea?
We fought well, and shot well.
— Better or worse then Americans?
I’d say roughly the same…
— How did you leave Korea?
Just a routine. Regiment was formed up, and we were told:
— Comrade officers, you have fulfilled your duty; we are going home.
That was it…
Additional commentary by I. Seydov:
1. About the 29th GvIAP actions in the defense of Shanghai in the spring
of 1950.
Minin did not participate in this operation, as he was serving in Germany
then. This is why his story has some errors. Let’s turn to a participant
of those days. Here is an extract from the letter of Alexandr Iosifovich
Perecrest, who was a pilot of 29th GvIAP.
«We arrived in China in March 1950, to the city of Suichzhou.
During the month of March we assembled and test flew airplanes, which was
delayed by absence of airfield [engine] start carts [external power supplies]
and parachutes for pilots, which were sent after us in another train and
ended up somewhere else.
Actually, we were not combat ready, and could have become an easy
target for Nationalist Chinese aviation. To cover our airfield from the
air, the 351st IAP (only one squadron initially) was sent to Lyaodun Peninsula.
It was right on time. A couple of days later, a B-26 reconnaissance airplane
showed up (this was a B-25 Mitchell, because by that time the Nationalist
Chinese Air Force did not have any B-26 aircraft, and also because the
Nationalist Chinese acknowledge losses (among) of their B-25s in those
days. I.S.). He flew at an altitude of 3000–4000 meters.
On that day I was an airfield duty officer and became a witness
to a dogfight. There was no equipment to direct the fight from the ground.
The only piece of equipment was the radio, which was used to direct take
offs and landings, and a mast, which was used to raise a red flag in case
of alarm. We still had no radars or even surveillance (VNOS) posts. That’s
why an enemy reconnaissance airplane appeared as a complete surprise for
us – we spotted him when he already was approaching our airfield.
I raised the red flag, and the director of flight operations fired
a flare for two La-11 fighters. The leader was Pavel Fedorovich Dushin
and his wingman was Nikolay Nikolaevich Abramovich from 351 IAP. Our pair
took off when the enemy aircraft was right over our airfield. Of course,
he saw that our fighters took off, and it was clear that situation was
not too bright for him. To increase speed he made a shallow dive and with
a tight right turn flew toward Taiwan. Dushin’s pair soon caught up to
him and opened fire. The B-26 immediately was set on fire; his left engine
was burning.
All of this fight was going on not too far from our airfield, and
all those present were able to see what was going on until the last moment.
The airplane was on fire, but kept flying. The enemy crew saw that there
was no chance for them to escape and turned toward our base in attempt
to reach it and land. During his turn he lost a lot of altitude, and there
was no possibility for him to land on the runway. He began to glide toward
the parking space of our MiG-15s. We even started worrying that he might
crash into them on purpose or involuntarily. At an altitude of 50–70 meters,
the enemy pilot made a slight adjustment to his glide path and landed on
his belly on a plowed field.
Part of the crew was killed in the air, while others were captured
by local Chinese. Apart from the crew, there was some correspondent from
some news agency, armed policeman, and as rumors told, a highly positioned
officer from VVS Taiwan staff with valuable documents. The aircraft was
equipped with a photo camera.
After the fight was over, Slyusarev thanked the pilots for accomplishing
their duty in front of a formation of all of the regiment’s enlisted personnel.
The pilots were recommended for government awards. This happened in the
middle of March 1950». (A.I. Perekrest. 03.08.1990.)
Dushin’s fight over airfield happened on 14.03.1950. But this was not
the first fight of the 351st IAP pilots: on the previous day, Kapitan Sidorov
shot down an enemy B-25 reconnaissance aircraft.
29th GvIAP pilots were successful three times while defending Shanghai:
In April, the regiment’s navigator, Mayor Yu. Ya. Keleynikov, intercepted
a Nationalist Chinese P-38 reconnaissance plane and damaged it (the pilot
managed to make it to the home base, but crashed on landing). Then, on
the night of May 10\11, 1950, 4th Squadron Commander Kapitan I.I. Shinkarenko,
while flying MiG-15, shot down B-24. And finally, in June 1950, the pair
of Sr. Lieutenant A.K. Kurnosov shot down a Chinese Air Force Tu-2 by mistake
– it flew without prior information, and was considered to be enemy. The
Chinese side agreed that the fault was theirs.
On 20 March, 1950, the regiment lost one pilot and aircraft: in a test
flight, the aircraft of senior pilot Senior Lieutenant P.V. Prosteryakov
was caught by “Valezhka” and crashed.
In September and October 1950, the 29th GvIAP passed all of its MiGs
to the 10th IAP of the PLA (Peoples Liberation Army of China) and
left for Lyaodun peninsula on a transport aircraft.
2. Some information about A.S. Minin
He fought in Korea up until middle of December 1950, when he became
sick and stayed in hospital in China until the end of January 1951. By
the time of his return, the 29th GvIAP was packing to return to the USSR,
so he had no chance to fight (some) more.
It is unclear how many missions Minin flew in Korea, but he participated
in 18 dogfights.
Officially on December 6 he shot down a B-29, and unofficially one
F-84. KORWALD:
Date of Loss: 1950.12.06
Tail Number: UNK
Aircraft Type: B-29A
Circumstances of Loss: Major damage, unexploded shell in wing, landed
at Kimpo